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06-05-2009, 10:16 AM #16
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Guys, this teamstacking-discussion is the oldest thing we have in here. Not just in this game even.
I haven't played alot of 2142 with the current player-base i admit, but i think the solution is still the same. If you are a regular and know other players and see imbalances in the teams, try to switch teams to balance it out. Bring your mates or just yourself depending on what skill-set you bring. Offcourse there will be exceptions to this because of a lot of situations, both technical, real-life ones and moods to name some. And it won't always help, but this is what we all need to try to do to balance the teams.
As for sucking it up and trying to encourage people to be smarter and better players, i don't see the problem with this advice.
I would suggest you two PM eachother and speak freely what's on your minds. Whatever you find out i would try to remember that we're here to relax and have fun, and that we all really do try our best to do that but nobody is perfect.
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06-05-2009, 10:20 AM #17
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Thank you Pred! This isn't about people intentionally stacking the teams. This is about people getting so caught up in the game they fail to notice that the team's aren't just uneven in skill, they're not even even in numbers! It's just about awareness folks. About paying attention and if you're a part of a huge route of enemy, wondering why you are kicking their butts so badly. Sometimes it has nothing to do with tactics, but everything to do with the teams not even being close to fair.
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Kelvin I don't think Crux is complaining about teamstacking. I think it's more a public service announcement type of post. If he was complaining, he'd write the story from the 10 year old team perspective, not the big kid perspective.
Correct me if I'm wrong, Crux, but I think he's trying to make people aware of how although winning by having a better team than the other team may be fun, playing a challenging evenly balanced game is even more fun, and I have to agree completely. If I wanted a game where I could go zombie-mode and still win, I'd play WoW. When I hop on the server, I look at the players playing before I join, and I try to make it so that I end up on the team opposite Zhohar when he's on, for instance, because I know I'll be in for a mentally taxing game that I'll be able to enjoy more thoroughly.
My choice of words to answer this might be deemed too untasteful... I'll just leave it at that.
And I'd like to take a moment and give out a personal thanks to whoever the immature individuals are who put the tags on this thread. You deserve applause for your actions.
I've lost a ton of rounds in my time playing the game. I've lost rounds by 1 ticket. I've lost rounds by 200+ tickets. Sometimes I've lost rounds by 200+ tickets because of just plain poor performance by my team - on paper it should have been a close game but tactically or strategically we screwed up and paid the price.
Losing doesn't bother me. Watching a team FULL of TG players stomping a team full of pubbies so badly that people are quitting mid-round... that bothers me. That reflects poorly on the TG community and everything we're supposed to stand for. So if you want to take a lesson like that and add childish tags to a thread, what on earth are you doing here at TG?
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06-05-2009, 10:37 AM #18
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Lets all face it about unbalance, capouts and team switching. Its going to happen with autobalance on or off. We cannot as players or admins predict everyoutcome based on players. Sometimes every SL is a TG player, sometimes the TG players don't SL. Sometimes a gunship pilot sololy steamrolls armor on Suez crippling a team. Sometimes every pubbie jumps to EU on Fall of Berlin.
I can say one thing for sure as I play countless hours with Zhohar, we both look for patterns of losses. Usally 3 rounds of above minor losses in a row. Anything less and its usally tactical losses vs skill loses. We'll try and switch, sometimes we end up balance. Sometimes the team we left lost an effetice squad and now the team we move to steamrolls.
Now if we had 6x 3rd, 6x 21st, 6x 9th, etc on one team, then I say we have a topic for decussion but I cant remember that last time I seen anything close to that. The only other solution is autobalance and take the factor out of the players control. Then unbalance isn't our fault as players.The soldier formerly known as, Eroak.
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06-05-2009, 10:42 AM #19
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I've asked in a separate thread to stop abusing the thread tags. Do not let it happen again, the odds are good that you won't like the repercussions.
Regarding stacking and imbalance, Crux is correct and beat me to the point:
Open your eyes and next time you're checking the scoreboard, also check the player counts. Uneven numbers can be more detrimental to a team than skill levels.This isn't about people intentionally stacking the teams. This is about people getting so caught up in the game they fail to notice that the team's aren't just uneven in skill, they're not even even in numbers! It's just about awareness folks.
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06-05-2009, 11:35 AM #20
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Can I report TG players who switch to the winning side, or unbalance the player count? (If I notice it?)
Thinking about it, the server switches people all the time for no reason, so this wouldn't work..BF3 Soldier: DrSparky
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06-05-2009, 11:57 AM #21
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I think China is stacking up quite a team atm - can we report them for overpopulation?
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06-05-2009, 12:06 PM #22
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Look. I have played form both perspectives and let me say, that when I have the third squad on my team we usually win. But when we are steam rolling them they are the first to pull back, lets all try to be more like the third here don't play for your fun only but the fun of your team and the other team
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06-05-2009, 03:15 PM #23
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Help! There are worms all over the place! Somebody put them back in the can!
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06-05-2009, 03:36 PM #24
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Regardless of what some may say or think, I can honestly say I cannot count the number of times I have seed Zho, Crux, and just about every other member of the 3rd take it upon themselves to make the changes needed to balance out the server.
Both as a member of their squad, and as a Commander, I have witnessed them holding back when needed, switching teams when needed and doing what they can to improve the quality of play for the server as a whole.
Does that mean every game every time? No, but after a crushing defeat, or even two or three not very close ones in a row, they often do what they can to level the playing field.
95% of the time, when teams are off, a current or former member of the 3rd is the first to switch over. How many of you can make the same claim?
All arguments aside, I just want to thank Crux again for reminding us that it is all of our responsibility to keep things even and fair. We must all keep an eye out for imbalances and work together to get those 1 ticket games we all love so much.
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06-05-2009, 03:38 PM #25
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I can agree with Big-Eye101. Closer games are much more interesting and exciting for both sides than roflstomp games where one side is obliterated 200 tickets to none. Last night the TG server had its fair share of both one-sided and close fights, and the close ones were much more exciting, because everyone had to give it their all to make sure that the fewest amount of tickets possible were lost from their own side, while still trying to pressure the other team.
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06-05-2009, 04:08 PM #26
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Anything can be reported!
Now before I get a smark remark fro Lyra, You can report anything you like to use that seems out of TG. Yes you can report activity like teamswitching and posts that rub you the wrong way.
We might not do anything, but reports over time cna set a trend of a players activity that we dont normally see without reports. Sometimes we might take action. Sometimes Its nothing. The reporter will not be corrected as long as they ment well and the repost wasn't made up out of spite.The soldier formerly known as, Eroak.
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06-05-2009, 04:56 PM #27
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The key word here is "maturity", let's all exercise it when playing ( and posting ).
It is all about having fun on both sides, but when one side is totally owned, there is nothing fun about that by either side. You all know this. Crux was trying to say something like this. We are TG, not pubbies, and we set a standard of fairplay and maturity. That is why pubbies and regulars join our server as the TG reputation precedes us. We should strive for that 1 vs 1 ticket ending and the baited breath we hold when we see the final screen, then listen to the laughter and eruption in teamspeak when we finally see the results.
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06-05-2009, 05:59 PM #28
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I said it five times, and I'll say it again. I find the fact that teamstacking happened irrelevant. I also don't care who did or didn't do it. That is not the issue. The issue is with those people that teamstack telling others not to. That is the problem. If Crux presents us with some sort of proof that he chewed out the rest of his squad for doing it I will withdraw my accusation. But as long as that is kept secret, I am forced to assume that the behaviour is secretly condoned.
If you can't be open about it, I assume you have something to hide, and use posts such as this thread to present a farce to hide it behind. If you do show that what you said is indeed the case, then I will accept it and trouble no one any further about it, and present my humble apology. Until then, I stand by my points.
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06-05-2009, 06:02 PM #29
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Kelvin was only making clear that you can't say you hate teamstacking AND hate complaining ABOUT teamstacking at the same time. Pretty obvious if you only just 'read' his post.
I think teamstacking is 'k in small numbers. Like when you are the only guy of your IHS around on your side, but if it ends up in whole bunches of people switching sides to just play with their buddies, no thanks. I think there is a certain border, and I think we're all bright enough to see when things escalate.
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06-05-2009, 06:20 PM #30
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I heard last night a really high up IHS member mention that autobalence should be turned on.
Bad idea! Autobalence is a pathetic waste of time. For everyone! It will NOT improve play.
First, the chances are that a team needs a great SL to turn a game around, not some random player (with or without TG tags). Second, if autobalence gets in the way of IHS players from playing with their fellow buddies, they'll cross over when they get the chance, not when it's approprate like they do now. Leave this in the hands of TG'ers and the problem will often be adressed. Use an out of TG solution and it'll be a mess.
Last night when I considered crossing over to the other team the numbers were even, and yet we held all of the flags. Other servers where autobalence exists the stacking is far, far worse.
As regards the previous page, I am sure the leaders of the 3rd and Siege Corps both do their best to improve play for both the server at large and their own IHSes. I sense the hostility directed at each other has more to do with frustration (real or imagined) toward others who do not care about this issue and/or project a hostility of their own.
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