Why isnt it infantry only night?

**LordMeatwad** · 08-03-2009, 09:34 PM

So its monday and i log into the server and its not infantry only? Has the night been moved?

**Zhohar** · 08-03-2009, 10:26 PM

And why is 40% of our current "normal" rotation armor-focused maps?
Just wondering. I would have thought that the 2500 polls we've had on the subject would have expressed the community's views on the matter clearly.

**SKiNnEe** · 08-03-2009, 10:45 PM

I have a better question where is everyone tonight?

**Onoobiwan** · 08-03-2009, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by SKiNnEe

I have a better question where is everyone tonight?

They left because there is to much armor.

I have to say I was looking forward to infantry only, but yea....

**YdoUwant2know** · 08-04-2009, 03:12 AM

I was very sad to see an APC raining death today. I was really looking forward to infantry only fun.

Greyed · 08-04-2009, 03:18 AM

Maybe they forgot to switch it over from normal operations? Or maybe they decided to do the Folder's Crystal's swap to see how things go as a follow up to the latter half of this topic:
http://www.tacticalgamer.com/battlef...ed-thread.html

**FBmantis** · 08-04-2009, 04:07 AM

I usually 'flip the switch' late at night but between a busy schedule these last two days and the high of a poe2 scrim still wearing off I forgot all about it. I guess the other admins didn't catch the error..

**Lyramion** · 08-04-2009, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by nooby

They left because there is to much armor.

I have to say I was looking forward to infantry only, but yea....

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Originally Posted by Zhohar

And why is 40% of our current "normal" rotation armor-focused maps?
Just wondering. I would have thought that the 2500 polls we've had on the subject would have expressed the community's views on the matter clearly.

Not saying yesterday shouldnt have been infantry night. But I´ll explain the rotation a bit:

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maplist.append cerbere_landing gpm_cq 64
maplist.append camp_gibraltar gpm_cq 64
maplist.append sidi_power_plant gpm_cq 32
maplist.append tunis_harbor gpm_cq 64
maplist.append shuhia_taiba gpm_cq 16
maplist.append operation_shingle gmp_cq 64
maplist.append verdun gpm_cq 32
maplist.append belgrade gpm_cq 64
maplist.append fall_of_berlin gpm_cq 64
maplist.append minsk gpm_cq 32

If you just look at the names - yes there is a lot of armor. But if you look at the ACTUAL playtimes of the maps it´s far less than before. Even I as infantry lover have fuond to be the rotation really fun for me.

What there is in:

Sidi 32: Lasts a bit - longest Armor map in rotation
Verdun 32: Always bleed on with 3 flags - goes by pretty quick
Minsk 32: Either you have a nice game with a breakthru OR the round finishes quickly due to bleed and ownage
Shuiha 16: 100 tickets and bleed finish this thing faster than any infantry round

What is NOT in this rotation:

Suez 32 - Lasts ages and ages with NO bleed
Shuiha 32 - Lasts ages and ages due to many many armor vehicles and slow ticket drain

I´ll lean out of the window here and will say that:
Verdun 32 + Minsk 32 + Shuiha 16 are able to take LESS playtime than a SINGLE round of Suez 32!

So again judge the actual playtime and not the "amount" in the maplist.

If you still like blind bickering then wait till next week. Crux rotation will be in pretty soon:

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maplist.append verdun gpm_cq 16
maplist.append operation_shingle gpm_cq 32
maplist.append belgrade gpm_cq 32
maplist.append camp_gibraltar gpm_cq 32
maplist.append cerbere_landing gpm_cq 32
maplist.append tunis_harbor gpm_cq 32
maplist.append shuhia_taiba gpm_cq 32
maplist.append fall_of_berlin gpm_cq 32

Naith · 08-04-2009, 10:14 AM

I'm sorry, but the current rotation ISN'T full of armour. The only, real armour map in that rotation is Sidi Power Plant.
Verdun? No piece of armour works on that map asides from the apc. Furthermore, it's a rubbish map for infantry. Minsk? If EU manages to stop any buggy-raids and can hold frontlines, EU outnumbers PAC vastly with all their APCS, tanks and walkers. No side gets to enjoy any fun armour fights.

In this rotation, the APC gets to rain hell in nearly every map. But the tanks, walkers, gunships and transports don't get much at all.

Yes, Suez and Shuhia last for ages, but at least both sides can have some fun with armour.

Hidus · 08-04-2009, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Naith

I'm sorry, but the current rotation ISN'T full of armour. The only, real armour map in that rotation is Sidi Power Plant.
Verdun? No piece of armour works on that map asides from the apc. Furthermore, it's a rubbish map for infantry. Minsk? If EU manages to stop any buggy-raids and can hold frontlines, EU outnumbers PAC vastly with all their APCS, tanks and walkers. No side gets to enjoy any fun armour fights.

In this rotation, the APC gets to rain hell in nearly every map. But the tanks, walkers, gunships and transports don't get much at all.

Yes, Suez and Shuhia last for ages, but at least both sides can have some fun with armour.

How do you figure armor doesn't work on verdun?? You can drive the same tank around all round long and use the advantage of range and open space to pick people apart from a distance. Walkers are fantastic for patrolling the flags as well as keeping the gunships honest.

Minsk is like Camp G or Berlin in that if you can't break through it is painful but that doesn't happen often. Once you are through the front line then it's advantage attacker and there is armor up for grabs all over the place.

**Zoraster** · 08-04-2009, 01:23 PM

Both sides get gunships in verdun and minsk and the gunship is a really potent force in sidi (or at least can be).

Tanks and walkers are both used to great effect in sidi, and walkers are really pretty powerful in verdun. Minsk is super armory... The only thing is that it's just one side with the armor most of the time.

So I disagree with you. It is true that it's harder to lone wolf in these armor maps.

While I definitely look forward to having the rotation moved to more infantry friendly rotation next week, this rotation is at least less painful than ones in the recent past.

Naith · 08-04-2009, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Hidus

How do you figure armor doesn't work on verdun?? You can drive the same tank around all round long and use the advantage of range and open space to pick people apart from a distance. Walkers are fantastic for patrolling the flags as well as keeping the gunships honest.

Okay say you're PAC, you've got hillside, you've got your tanks. Now there's a giant wall blocking you from firing any shot at church and the other flag. You're basically sitting there all day, waiting, PRAYING that someone will go for hillside. And if you even try to pass through the wall, some infantry will pwn you at church, and the other tanks will be more than eager to get you, seeing as they have had hardly any action at all.

Walkers? You're right in saying they're lovely for patrolling, but that's all they do. Church, for example, has so many corridors and buildings that any half-intelligent infantry can dodge its guns. A walker will most likely spend half its time camping the skies for a gunship.

And so there's bored walkers, bored infantry who will stay in AAs, and if a gunship pilot wants to play around for a bit and he isn't that great compared to the guy against him, he won't stand a chance.

Now, Minsk. Yeah, I understand that there are several maps that can end gruesomely, but Minsk is so much more likely to end up as a stalemate. Making matters worse, the whole EU armour can get there within a minute.

**Lyramion** · 08-04-2009, 02:55 PM

YES Tanks should be presented easy and free targets on a golden plate in a flat environment! Like... Suez!

Greyed · 08-04-2009, 03:16 PM

Pft, all of BF2142 is flat in regards for armor.

**Zoraster** · 08-04-2009, 04:43 PM

Perhaps we should do a restricted unlock night with armor maps for naith. No mms, pilums or other pesky things to stand in the way of complete armor on armor action. Too bad we can't get rid of railguns and keep the tanks. Emps are annoying too, so restrict support emps and co's...