Re: Winning the game at all costs?

**asch** · 08-25-2009, 09:22 AM

Folks... let's get this thread back on track on how players can communicate (SL <--> SM) when in disagreement with orders and how to handle those situations.

**Crux** · 08-25-2009, 09:42 AM

The short of it is there is no disagreeing. Your SL gives the orders, you follow the orders. Your SL has access to information that you do not. The commander may be telling him to do something. The commander may be making him aware of enemy troop movements that you cannot see.

So, your SL might be calling for an attack or movement that makes no sense to you but is actually the right thing to do. And by holding back and arguing, you can cost your squad its chance at success. Yes, your SL might be wrong. But, it is far better to have a squad working together for a questionable goal than not working together for a better one.

What it comes down to at the end of the day is this one question: are you a team player, or does your ego take precedence?

**Catman1975** · 08-25-2009, 10:11 AM

Originally Posted by Crux

The short of it is there is no disagreeing. Your SL gives the orders, you follow the orders. Your SL has access to information that you do not. The commander may be telling him to do something. The commander may be making him aware of enemy troop movements that you cannot see.

So, your SL might be calling for an attack or movement that makes no sense to you but is actually the right thing to do. And by holding back and arguing, you can cost your squad its chance at success. Yes, your SL might be wrong. But, it is far better to have a squad working together for a questionable goal than not working together for a better one.

What it comes down to at the end of the day is this one question: are you a team player, or does your ego take precedence?

This expresses my feelings about the issue better than I could myself.

**SharinganTH1422** · 08-25-2009, 12:19 PM

Crux speaks the truth.

I think his elitism is working

**Bommando** · 08-25-2009, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by sc1ence

When I am leading a squad, I try to make the environment a near simulation for my squad, I make sure I pick interesting and fun goals for our squad and I try to help our team win.

Because real war is interesting and fun!

Just kidding Sc1ence, I love ya. x

**Feuerfinger** · 08-25-2009, 01:23 PM

I've been reading in this forum for a while now, and I like the fact that people here cover so many aspects of the game in so great detail.

Sometimes, though, I think you seem to exaggerate. Like in this case.
I think that of course everybody should leave a squad if it doesn't fit his playstyle. It's our spare time, and we don't get paid for it. So I disagree what Crux says:

Originally Posted by Crux

The short of it is there is no disagreeing. Your SL gives the orders, you follow the orders.

Sorry, Crux, but I'm a gamer, not a slave.
Nevertheless I seldom leave a squad. But for me thats easy, since I do not follow the orders of my squad leader anyway, if they don't make sense to me (or I have a better idea).

Greets, FF.

**Lorax74** · 08-25-2009, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by Feuerfinger

...since I do not follow the orders of my squad leader anyway, if they don't make sense to me (or I have a better idea).

I sincerely hope you are joking.

**Zoraster** · 08-25-2009, 01:50 PM

Originally Posted by Feuerfinger

I've been reading in this forum for a while now, and I like the fact that people here cover so many aspects of the game in so great detail.

Sometimes, though, I think you seem to exaggerate. Like in this case.
I think that of course everybody should leave a squad if it doesn't fit his playstyle. It's our spare time, and we don't get paid for it. So I disagree what Crux says:

Sorry, Crux, but I'm a gamer, not a slave.
Nevertheless I seldom leave a squad. But for me thats easy, since I do not follow the orders of my squad leader anyway, if they don't make sense to me (or I have a better idea).

Greets, FF.

If that's your outlook, then TG is not the place for you.

**Shane** · 08-25-2009, 01:55 PM

LOL , slave me to death you heavy handed, abusive, mean gamers. Im telling

**Feuerfinger** · 08-25-2009, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by Zoraster

If that's your outlook, then TG is not the place for you.

Yes I know, people are different with this. I found out for myself that the game gives me much more, when I'm not part of a firing and self-reviving steamroller.. :-)
I'm rather the guy who sneaks alone behind enemy lines, a knife between my teeth.

Greets, FF.

**Smachin007** · 08-25-2009, 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by Feuerfinger

Yes I know, people are different with this. I found out for myself that the game gives me much more, when I'm not part of a firing and self-reviving steamroller.. :-)
I'm rather the guy who sneaks alone behind enemy lines, a knife between my teeth.

Greets, FF.

Have you read the TG primer? If so you may want to go and read it again, and really think about whether or not you're in the right place.

**BeSiege82** · 08-25-2009, 02:32 PM

Originally Posted by Feuerfinger

Yes I know, people are different with this. I found out for myself that the game gives me much more, when I'm not part of a firing and self-reviving steamroller.. :-)
I'm rather the guy who sneaks alone behind enemy lines, a knife between my teeth.

Greets, FF.

That is called a lonewolf... There are many ways to play a game, but there are few ways to play a game when you are on an individual server.

**Mordona** · 08-25-2009, 03:58 PM

for our 3rd derailment.

TG is about teamwork and maturity. TG is not for skilled players with own agendas. While we do promte players to think on their feet and create better and new tactics. We been down the path of knife hunting and lonewolfing. Such tactics are not a welcomed pratice on our server. Its a game, but our server still has structure that we provide for our players. Its was makes TG different from other servers. We stop doing what we do, we are just like every other server out there.

Please take a look at what you just said vs our ideals. If there is further concern, please PM us or use our contact an admin forum.

As for other replies, back on topic please!

**WhiskeySix** · 08-25-2009, 04:23 PM

<admin hat off>

IMO, there’s nothing more frustrating for an SL than a half-assed effort by one or two guys in the squad. You make SL decisions based on the assumption that you’re going to have 5-guns blazing and reviving. You give the order, including some warning that “it’s going to be tough”, and expect an all-for-one effort. Then you get one guy hanging back, going for that sexy scoreboard with single-digit deaths. Well guess what – that one guy screwed the 5 other guys in the squad! He’s getting his teammates killed. He might save a couple tickets himself, but in the end it's a net-loss for the team. I realize the value of tickets, but IMHO, when you have one or two guys not following orders full throttle, the squad is useless...

**INSUNABULA** · 08-25-2009, 05:27 PM

How about the SL says a simple disclaimer at the beginning of the count-down to inform the squad what is expected of them and give them the option to find another squad (people join not knowing what will be expected of them). Other than that, all I can say is that if you agree to be a member then be a member.

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