Re: Winning the game at all costs?

**Razcsak** · 08-26-2009, 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by WhiskeySix

<admin hat off>

IMO, there’s nothing more frustrating for an SL than a half-assed effort by one or two guys in the squad. You make SL decisions based on the assumption that you’re going to have 5-guns blazing and reviving. You give the order, including some warning that “it’s going to be tough”, and expect an all-for-one effort. Then you get one guy hanging back, going for that sexy scoreboard with single-digit deaths. Well guess what – that one guy screwed the 5 other guys in the squad! He’s getting his teammates killed. He might save a couple tickets himself, but in the end it's a net-loss for the team. I realize the value of tickets, but IMHO, when you have one or two guys not following orders full throttle, the squad is useless...

I can't +rep you until I rep other people more first. This makes me sad.

**Gronigo** · 08-26-2009, 11:29 PM

I always feel good playing on TG, because on each team you'll always have at least 2,3 or 4 squad leaders who are trying to actively lead their squads. To me, even a novice SL who's at least communicating with his squad makes the game more interesting than any mute squad leaders you encounter on most servers. My hat is off to all of you who night after night dedicate yourselves to try and make a difference on the battlefield.

**BeSiege82** · 08-27-2009, 12:25 AM

Originally Posted by Nepharyte0

Hell, for most any services, Strippers are always acceptable payment to the 8th. Or just send strippers for no reason.

Ha, so this is why Nerd dreamed of joining the 8th someday...

**INSUNABULA** · 08-27-2009, 09:20 AM

Originally Posted by BeSiege82

Ha, so this is why Nerd dreamed of joining the 8th someday...

Actually he's the pimp-daddy hooking us up - it's still under consideration

**Nepharyte0** · 08-27-2009, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by INSUNABULA

Actually he's the pimp-daddy hooking us up - it's still under consideration

I left that out of the recruitment video, didn't I? If you want to be part of the 8th, bribe with strippers.

This thread derail brought to you by the 8th Mercenary Division.

**Lorax74** · 08-27-2009, 10:28 AM

Let's get back on topic please.

**MrJengles** · 08-30-2009, 12:34 PM

Wow...I don't pay much attention to the forums for a week and when I get back...this

?

If I knowingly join a squad lead by someone with a different playstyle to my own, then it is because I am in the mood to try it out again, to challenge myself, and maybe learn from it. If I then end up not having fun, I had already expected that and I will be likely to stick it out.

If I join on a SLer I know has a similar playstyle, yet the round goes badly, or they are just having an off day, or for some reason or another I'm just not having fun: I will be likely to stick it out because I understand that and it can happen to anyone, it is polite.

If I join a squad lead by someone I am unfamilliar with, and it turns out I don't mesh well with their playstyle, then I will try to adapt and learn.

In all cases, personally, I will make an attempt to follow orders even when I don't like the orders given. But I would also say that for all cases, there is always the rare possibility of a breaking point. Where, no matter what mood, who the SLer is, or what I had been expecting, I will have been having too little fun for too long, to stay. Personally, I feel that if you do it early on in the round, then it isn't very insulting because you've recognised you're not going to have much fun, and left before it became a bigger issue. It is your choice how long you decide to keep trying for, and the way you handle the situation.

Mature people will do their best to make an attempt anyway, so as not to insult the SLer, and will only leave after they feel they've tried sufficiently. If the SLer knows the person to be mature, then they will take that on board, and understand why the person left, without issue. If the SLer doesn't know the person then they can't say one way or the other whether they think enough of an attempt was made. As long as they were following orders, they broke no rules and we are talking about curtiousy.

TG doesn't force people to play games, or play in squads that they do not find fun. If a rule was in place that we had to stay in squads anyway, then when faced with the choice of continuing play when it isn't fun or breaking a rule...people would just decide to leave the game.

Looks like I'll have to stick around a bit more, you guys fall apart without me

**Berlancic** · 09-15-2009, 05:19 AM

You can't really know a plan is balls until you try.

**Greyed** · 09-15-2009, 06:37 AM

Originally Posted by Berlancic

You can't really know a plan is balls until you try.

Not true. "Ok, you distract the walker while i run up with my SCAR...." Pretty sure if those words were uttered I'd think the plan was utter, wrinkled-up, sweaty, hangin'-to-yo-knees old man balls.

**LordKelvin** · 09-15-2009, 08:46 AM

Well, if the guy with the SCAR11 has a support buddy EMPing the walker, then it is a rather solid plan.

**Lorax74** · 09-15-2009, 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by Greyed

Not true. "Ok, you distract the walker while i run up with my SCAR...." Pretty sure if those words were uttered I'd think the plan was utter, wrinkled-up, sweaty, hangin'-to-yo-knees old man balls.

Yet if you followed the order you might see how a walker can indeed be taken down without the aid of an Engineer or rorche.

**MrJengles** · 09-15-2009, 04:00 PM

Hardly likely if it's on 100% armor and there is no support with EMPs...

Just replace the walker with a tank then XD

**LordKelvin** · 09-15-2009, 04:30 PM

You know, I wonder if PK rockets can damage the back vent of a tank. 3 people can kill an APC with two volleys to the side, so maybe it works on a tank too.

**Greyed** · 09-15-2009, 04:54 PM

I love how everyone automatically jumps to EMPs, links videos. Yes, guys, I'm aware of those.

So note my wording. "You distract the walker...." I didn't say EMP for a reason.

EMPing is not distracting. EMPing is EMPing or locking or any other verb. Distracting is decidedly passive, as in "dress up as a girl bunny and walk sexily across the street". :P

**Lorax74** · 09-15-2009, 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by Greyed

I love how everyone automatically jumps to EMPs, links videos. Yes, guys, I'm aware of those.

So note my wording. "You distract the walker...." I didn't say EMP for a reason.

EMPing is not distracting. EMPing is EMPing or locking or any other verb. Distracting is decidedly passive, as in "dress up as a girl bunny and walk sexily across the street". :P

Want to keep going? OK?

CO to SL: I know you don't have any engineers, but I'll get Squad 2 to EMP the walker if you can distract it long enough to let their support player get in position. Then they get under it and shoot out the vents with squad 2.
SL to CO: No problem, consider it done.
SL to SM: Ok, you distract the walker while i run up with my SCAR....
SM to SL: No way...

Plan fails.

Why do I continue to push this so much? Because it is a legitimate scenario and one that has played out more than a few times. Also, I was in a squad on Sunday that had a verbal SL, granted he was a pub player but he was talking and trying to accomplish something that never got accomplished because the SMs wouldn't listen.

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