Originally Posted by Greyed

Again, this is false and you know it. You know there is one exception. The The CO/SL cannot order anyone under them to break any other rule on the server. The two prime examples are camping UCB and suiciding.

That means in the following examples the proper response is "No."

SL to SM: Ok, get to left of their UCB and pop the spawners. I'll be on the right...

SL to SM: We need an engineer, run out in the open and get killed, spawn on me as engie.

And in the final case it is questionable without an explicit reason on why such an action is needed because in any other case it is suicide.

SL to SM: Distract that walker while I run up with my SCAR. (And since noone has mentioned it, I picked the SCAR since it has been said, to death, that it is supposedly the worst gun so if the player could wield a Baur or Voss they would. Since they can't those weapons are locked. The implication being the SL has no rockets for the 30s rocket to vent takedown.)

So, no, Lorax, you know the server rules, you know that rules take precedence over orders, you know that the player is bound to refuse any order that breaks a server rule which means not 100% of orders must be followed. There is judgment on the part of the SM and the example I have given is well within the bounds of questionable orders which run counter to the no suicide rule. So since you know all this the only conclusion I can draw is that you're trying to score argument points off what was intended as some levity.

Fine, I'll give you that; orders that explicitly break server rules should not be followed. The SM/SL that receives the order and knows it as a violation of the server rules should attempt to educate whomever gave that order. Conversely, all orders that are not in violation of the server rules should be followed. Glad we cleared that up.

If the SL is not ordering a blatant suicide, than it is my opinion and understanding of the server rules that you should try your best to achieve that objective while doing everything possible to stay alive.

Yes I know you were attempting to be humorous, but I chose to instead take your example as serious and point out how an order can seem irrational and stupid at face value yet have have a legitimate purpose. I am not the most eloquent person around and I well aware that I often give poorly worded orders, but I expect those orders to be followed regardless.

The point you are missing is this, levity or not- orders are not optional. In your example, you were ordered to do something that may or may not result in your death and you've decided that it probably would so you are not going to follow that order. We'll continue on with the assumption that you do not know what the SL is planning due to either what you perceive to be an irrational orders and/or poor communication skills. What comes after the that order not yet to play out. If the SL did have a plan and it relied on you successfully accomplishing the objective set forth for you, you could very well be the reason that plan fails. I believe this brings us right back to the the point made by the original poster.

And about the SCAR: making assumptions based on someone's kit load is silly. I'll use sc1ence as an example: he packs smoke in his assault kit more often than probably anyone else, but that does not give me reason to underestimate his abilities or second guess his intentions.