Damn the admins! - Page 4

**Eroak** · 09-21-2009, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Crux

Bwah? The only real 'skills' required are common sense and maturity. The CC is simplicity itself (and let's face it most admins don't ever even need to go into the CC except rarely), and the in-game kick/ban/warn commands could be handled by any literate 8 year old.

So what's the real reason?

Not every admin is like you Crux. Many of them need to take time to get confortable with the position. Try and think how other people react, not just yourself and how you handle it. How many admins that are brought in, don't vocalise right away. Its the skills of admin expectation and conduct. How you handle incidents and protocal. Whats expected of an admin and how they need conduct themselves.

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Originally Posted by machowner

well the battlefield series is probably the largest community here. Not sure how big the wow community is, but regardless they don't need ingame admins. 2142 and the variations of bf2 all need ingame admins that are active.

Most of the wow community left as a independent guild. Yes, together BFx is the largest active community, although on annouced nights. CoD and ArmA and put up some serious numbers.

**Crux** · 09-21-2009, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Eroak

Not every admin is like you Crux. Many of them need to take time to get confortable with the position. Try and think how other people react, not just yourself and how you handle it. How many admins that are brought in, don't vocalise right away. Its the skills of admin expectation and conduct. How you handle incidents and protocal. Whats expected of an admin and how they need conduct themselves.

I wasn't trying to be smart, Eroak. And sorry if my post came across a little abrasive. It just blows my mind that someone would take more than a week or so to learn what is needed to be learned to be an admin.

And Insunabula, I've seen your photoshop work firsthand, my friend. You cannot claim computer ineptitude!!!

**oniell121** · 09-21-2009, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Eroak

Its the skills of admin expectation and conduct. How you handle incidents and protocal. Whats expected of an admin and how they need conduct themselves.

I would expect this to be what takes time to get used to. The in-game syntax is pretty easy, but the qualities above are what separate in my mind our great TG admins from someone who pays $10/month to have admin rights on some server he likes. Our admins represent our community everywhere. Not just by kicking people from our server, but also dealing with issues on other community forums where something is said about us and otherwise dealing with how TG is presented. Personally, that is what would take time to get used to. That's how I understood Eroak's post anyway. My $0.02.

**sordavie** · 09-21-2009, 07:35 PM

Presumably we would pick people who already has such qualities and not people who didn't and had to be trained... But I suppose I presume wrong sometimes.

**Eroak** · 09-21-2009, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by sordavie

Presumably we would pick people who already has such qualities and not people who didn't and had to be trained... But I suppose I presume wrong sometimes.

I don't mean train admins how to be mature, but how to handle incidents in a neutral prespective and how to investigate. How to properly use the rules on a policing manner. Finally how to work independently, but as a group motion.

This isn't point and click. This isn't vote and make a call. There's debates, decisions, and mostly infomation gathering in this job. It takes getting used to as to read the admin forums for the first time is quite overwhelming. New admins usally are not sure where they fit in for a small amount of time.

This isn't they way I say it is, this is been the trend of how new admins across all platforms tend to merge themselves into the position. The current admins have to work around this nature.

**machowner** · 09-21-2009, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Crux

And Insunabula, I've seen your photoshop work firsthand, my friend. You cannot claim computer ineptitude!!!

lol, trust me, he can. A pro with photoshop, but not so much with everything else computer related.

**ionpig-A** · 09-21-2009, 09:05 PM

Heya Admins,

I wonder if it would be useful and enlightening to expose a single old "case" so that folks could get a good idea of what goes on.

I can think of one back when I was an Admin where Rage dealt with a guy who claimed innocence (cussed a lot and denied everything) regarding RDX-FAV-Jihad by pulling the BR footage, making screenshots in order to show the obvious rule violation and then pointing out to the guy that the quickest way to turn a short term ban into a long term ban was to curse about the rules, curse the TG community in general, curse at the admins, and lie about their violation rather than behaving in a civil fashion and accepting the fact they got busted for breaking a rule.

There are several incidents I can recall that illustrate the typical kind of thinking, communicating, and documenting that an Admin deals with as well as quite a few that provide a perverse chuckle whenever a particularly heinous knucklehead got what was coming to them at the behest of the TG community at large. (remember guys, reporting in chat is THE best way to handle things, even if you do it quietly in your own squad chat the admins still see it in CC and can act upon it.)

Perhaps showing that kinda thing (with names removed to protect the guilty) would give folks a better idea of what is involved with being an admin or maybe not... I leave it to the admins to decide.

- Bacon

p.s. Trust me when I tell you it's mostly boring, simple, and requires no more than Crux mentioned, but now and then the job got... "interesting".

Mobiusxg5 · 09-21-2009, 09:26 PM

I thought admins had the power to ban someone if they disrespect TG admins. I can understand it hard to be a bf2142 admin but everyone is working with them there is no conflict between admins and the players.

I am frustrated that us non supporting members are getting kicked to the curb because we don't want to waste our money on something that won't help us in our lives. People got to get food, clothes, pay for insurance all that kind of stuff some people live on there own with a job that doesn't pay much.

**machowner** · 09-21-2009, 09:37 PM

hey man don't worry, as Eroak pointed out the supporting membership just get us some perks on the servers and forums. Every member of the community is respected supporting or non-supporting. As a supporting member my opinion has no more weight to how the servers are run than your opinion does, all voices matter equally here. We are community driven, to a point, but defiantly not supporting member driven.

Mobiusxg5 · 09-21-2009, 09:48 PM

ah okay yeah I respect admins for all the hard work they put into the community.

But not to complain or anything We have a dead server named BF 2 vanilla that needs to reviving. Maybe the admins can get that server back up I think Big eye would like some help.

**LeFrancoy** · 09-21-2009, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Mobiusxg5

I thought admins had the power to ban someone if they disrespect TG admins. I can understand it hard to be a bf2142 admin but everyone is working with them there is no conflict between admins and the players.

I am frustrated that us non supporting members are getting kicked to the curb because we don't want to waste our money on something that won't help us in our lives. People got to get food, clothes, pay for insurance all that kind of stuff some people live on there own with a job that doesn't pay much.

Well Mobius, if you chose not to be a suporting member, it’s alright!! Trust me, you do not have to justify yourself or try to turn to ridicule those who support TG... Some of us believe that quality gaming of this nature is worth what we pay for it and you should respect that. And who knows, maybe one day you will support TG too!?

As for the whole admin thing, I think that the initial post is bang on!!

Whenever someone whines or rants, they should have it out of their system – BUT – they should also turn it towards a constructive and productive end at one point or another.

Maybe even the admins could advise « offenders » to this rule to offer some solutions or outline where they think things should be modified in order for them to be content. And then the community or the admins will chose to work a solution or apply status quo.

THIS IS DEMOCRACY!!

Just like in real life... Example : Let’s say you are mad about something in your city. You go to the city counsil and expose your problem (and you better bring a solution or two or you won’t get anywhere) and then the counsil will weigh it out and act/not act accordingly... This is the age old way to do things and I believe it should apply to Tactical Gamer.

SO LET’S STAY CONSTRUCTIVE :¬)

|TG| LeFrancoy

Kossst · 09-21-2009, 11:27 PM

We got more people in the community and we got new blood almost every weeks. So yes, the community work and the admins are doing a great job. Our website is very well made, the structure of TG is solid. The IHS system, the plenty of forum sections, the support when we need help, I mean, if we look at the result, admins are definitely doing a good job.

On another note, I'm glad we've been heard about the number of admins on the TG server. I hope and I'm sure "a plea for more admin" was not saw just like a "whining thread".

**Eroak** · 09-22-2009, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by mobiusxg5

i thought admins had the power to ban someone if they disrespect tg admins. I can understand it hard to be a bf2142 admin but everyone is working with them there is no conflict between admins and the players.

I wish.

I just banned about 5 players tonight and 2 were directly disrepectful to me or another TG player. I call that conflict. But thats normal everyday stuff. Once in a rare while, we'll have to deal with a long acting member, this is the hard conflictions we dread to face. They tear up friendships, cause people to leave, and demoralize the community and IHSs. There is conflict everyone, in real life and here in the internet.

On a larger scale, there is conflictions between the community and admins. The root cause is privacy. First we enforce privacy of all out players. This causes conflictions because the players sometimes dont understand whats going on. Sometimes people and groups don't know how the admins fuction and its something you really cant understand until you do the job.

Thankfully, the maturity of the community allows us to quickly resolve most of these issues.

**machowner** · 09-22-2009, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Kossst

I hope and I'm sure "a plea for more admin" was not saw just like a "whining thread".

I would agree. I know I give the admins a hard time but I do believe that they do a good job overall. Like you posted the outcome in the community is evidence of that. I think the issues were put out there, like the admin list versus the actual active admins and that there may be a problem with how admins are chosen, only agreeing on 1 or 2 guys out of 10 prospects.

I would like to bring this up though. I do not like how it has been proposed for those who see problem to not complain, or bring up the problem, unless they have a solution for it. To me this stifles growth. In my area of work, if you see a problem you need to let others know even if you do not have a solution. The reason for this is that someone who just has not seen the issue from that point of view may have a great solution or be able to formulate one. There is nothing wrong with pointing out a problem when you see it, I don't believe that just because you are the one who sees the problem that you have to be the one to fixes it.

**MDFubar** · 09-22-2009, 07:05 AM

There is a difference between identifying a problem and alerting someone vs complaining and attacking with "you should haves" and you shouldn't haves". The community as a whole is very good about this and also needs to keep feedback coming, but it should also be constructive. If you only see part of the message, then I can do nothing about that. We try to make people aware of what is going on once the direction is confirmed.

The "plea for more admins" was in no way viewed as a whining thread, ironically we where already working on it. As Eroak has stated, there is quite a bit that goes on behind the scenes...you only see the final outcome.

Your voices are always heard and listened to, always discussed and the admin team takes every concern to heart. Thank for the thoughts on this subject.