Originally Posted by MrJengles

Huh....

I am surprised by the majority view on this one. I personally agree with Sharingan:



This is a rather tricky subject. The game already has plenty of things in it that are entirely unrealistic, but are part of the gameplay. Being able to withstand so many bullets, for example, keeps you alive longer and able to fight longer; it's perfectly logical to have that setup in a game, to increase fun. At the same time, some elements are disliked because they are so unrealistic that opponents really do not enjoy facing them. For example RDX buggies, or even bunny hopping. The fact is, this line between realism and "part of the fun of the game" is not as simple as "this is realistic, but that isn't". If we wanted to play a game as close to realism as possible, we would play more simulation type games.

That being said, creating this imaginary line has worked wonders for TG. With hundreds of people complimenting the huge difference it makes and how much more FUN it is! Therefore, if this rule gets implemented then it is by the oppinion of TG admins that it creates a better balance between fun and realism, not just to eliminate everything that is even vaguely unrealistic.

As for me, I can quite easily find myself enjoying the challenge of hitting a player who is proning in a close quarters gunfight...it shakes things up a bit, without going into the whole jump-ety jump-ety thing. Jumping has a lot of motion and then the person ends up standing, while taking little penalty for said jump, and is easy to repeat. The very fine difference between "bunny hopping" and "bunny flopping" is that you end up on the ground when you dive...which reduces your dodging capability after said movement drastically. Yes, part of the flopping is then to get straight back up, but as someone else has already said, it takes more buttons to do that than jumping. This results in taking more time to perform a flop, than a hop. Both by user input time and 2 seperate animations. It also results in more of a penalty than a hop, because you cannot fire for a brief period during either of the 2 animatons, rather than the single hop.

Now these differences may be fractions of a second, but that is entirely enough to make the difference in a firefight, and there has obviously been a noticeable differance between the 2, at least up until now. So I'm just pointing that out to people.

Also, personally I don't see people prone spamming all over the place, usually it is just a couple or few times during a close quarters engagement against multiple people. In that situation, I've first hand noticed the disadvantage of throwing your own head at the opponent - which gets you headshotted a bunch of times - or being mown down while on the floor unable to dodge. I find it equally enjoyable to kill people that try it, as I do when I prone a couple times during a fight and manage to kill 2 or 3 people by myself if I'm lucky. IMO, I still find it fun... and I do not put it on par, in terms of advantages vs disadvantages, with bunny hopping. At distance or when running out in the open, bunny flopping really offers little help to repeat after the first dive, as it does nothing to avoid rockets and makes it take longer for you to reach that piece of cover, thereby meaning you get shot at for longer. Therefore, I really don't see this "long range avoidance" part as much of a problem, nor does it happen much at all in game.

Next, I would say that rules and their violations need to be as black and white as possible, for easy reporting, admining, and understanding by every player. Bunny hopping is very obvious: someone either jumps over an obstacle, or they jump without an obstacle involved. Flopping, on the otherhand, is very vague if the best definition is "prone spamming." By all means, throw in a time to make it more precise: "don't prone more than once every few seconds," but who on earth is going to time it? I think this rule would be impossible to make precise, and rules are too hard to enforce without that straightforward "yes - that is allowed, no - that isn't allowed" nature. Everyone that is part of TG is mature enough to understand where the line is, but as someone else said, I think it might be better off as more of a gentlemans agreement type of thing; for those that wish to accept it.

That being said, I would suggest perhaps a test run of this? Maybe a week or 2 to see what happens... Whether or not that happens I will certainly be adjusting my habbits for a while to remind myself of the difference it makes.

Well said.. but it opens the can of worms further in terms of the rules...
If I had a vote I'd say keep it simple .. too much is too much.. repeating an action to take advantage of the game, rather than the way it is suppose to be played makes the game less "real" and is considered an Exploit of the game and is wrong.
too much hitting the space bar (not the OMG I've been shot.. smack the space bar reactively accidentally )
too much prone flopping ( not diving once behind something to avoid fire )
too much dolphin diving (same)

but what about - a Grenade spamming rule? << this to me should be a rule limiting grenade spamming, it's fun but it's also ridiculous how many grenades a support guy can throw.

RDX on a buggy Rule I still have an issue with this rule because I still see nothing wrong with Jihading a buggy or ramming anything.. Walker v Walker butting heads in battle .. its' fun and very real.. but not Exploitive.