Re: "hitbox glitching"

**BarrytBaptist** · 09-28-2009, 07:23 PM

I believe the easiest thing to do would be to get a Battlerecorder file and see it for yourself what bunnyflopping is.

Thank you!

**player_3** · 09-28-2009, 07:23 PM

Originally Posted by LordKelvin

better to report and be wrong than not report.

I believe the opposite is true.
Let's apply this to a hypothetical involving bunnyhopping.

Scenario:
You see someone (not a TG member) at mid range jump out from behind a wall. They pull out their assault rifle and kill you. You aren't sure if it was a bunnyhop or not.

-Choice A:
You don't report them- they may have been jumping to throw a grenade. They may have jumped over a crate behind the wall that you couldn't see. They may have jumped down from a higher level.
-Result: One possible one-time bunnyhopper doesn't get kicked or warned. What have you lost? One engagement. Maybe you see them again, this time clearly bunnyhopping- then you should report them.

-Choice B:
You report them.
-Result: They get a warning, or they get a kick. If it wasn't a bunnyhop, what would they be thinking? "Hey, got warned or kicked for breaking a rule I didn't even break? I think I'll find another server." What has TG lost? A potential (supporting) member, teamplayer, and benefit to the community.

**Fruvous** · 09-28-2009, 07:39 PM

I agree with player_3 whole heartidly.
Sometimes it's hard to treat pubbies with respect, but it's something that has to be done.

If they show no respect for TG, even after TG showed respect for them, then sure. If it means that there will be a few instances of random bunnyfloppers joining the server, so be it, it will soon be fixed.

Whenever I see a person in my squad bunny hopping, I always say,
"Please don't bunnyhop. It's against the rules on this server".
Almost always, they will stop. No admining necessary.

The same should apply for bunnyflop. If it's a repeated offense, then by all means report. Just don't jump the gun and kill everyone who doesn't know the rules.

**MrJengles** · 09-28-2009, 07:50 PM

Originally Posted by Zoraster

Let's further distinguish bunny hopping from bunny flopping. If someone jumps even once to avoid fire in a way that isn't to get over an obstacle or get behind cover, they're bunny hopping. In contrast, most people seem to feel that hitting the ground once when fired at to avoid fire seems perfectly reasonable. So again, things aren't nearly as clear as you've made them out to be.

This.

Originally Posted by SharinganTH1422

Just that the discussion seemed to be moving towards "how would a possible rule be worded", and I think that's the only way for it to move forward since we can't really come to a decision on the matter till we're pretty much sure of what the wording of the rule might be if implemented.

Agreed. My opinion has been given. It can't be changed unless proficient arguement is given... We know that it's admins that make and word the rules.

It's a good start Sharingan, but Zorasters example for one, wouldn't be addressed. Someone switching between sprint and going prone would be in danger of being labled as bunny flopping because they are not breaking LoS. So the only iffy part is how quickly is allowed? Which is back to why it would be a hard rule to define...

Originally Posted by LordKelvin

My 'definition' of bunnyflopping, and the suggested wording of a rule, stands as I first posted it. If that was to become a rule like the one against bunnyhopping, I wanted to clarify my position that reporting of it should be proactive... better to report and be wrong than not report. Hence the 'even once' remark.

Agreed with player 3. For a single "hop" I'm focused on whether it was intentional or not, because mistakes are made by everyone, even TG members. With bunny flopping, on the other hand, people would have to focus on whether they'd count a couple of prone/stand combos in a given time as against the rules. And it stops being about whether you might be wrong about intentions, and starts being about whether you are wrong about the rule breaking. In which case if you saw someone "flop" once, what are your chances of being correct on calling it out? It'd be better to be sure of the rule breaking, before you report, as it is for ALL rules.

**Lyramion** · 09-28-2009, 09:02 PM

That is what Spiff, Crux, etc are talking about when they say how annoying "Bunny Flopping" is:

http://www.noobflicks.com/watch/8026/bunny_flop

(Randomly taken from TG 2142 Server Battlerecorder - You people know who you are !)

**machowner** · 09-28-2009, 09:59 PM

hell lyra, that is nothing. You should have posted one where they are standing in the middle of nowhere and crouch prone spamming constantly.

**Mercenary90** · 09-28-2009, 10:42 PM

I think that the prone use in that video is acceptable up to around the 13th second, where he seems to just prone in open ground.
Shooting and ducking for cover is extremely important in situations where one sniper is shooting against another, as taking cover makes a huge difference when only one bullet can take off most of your health or kill you.
However, I think that the proning in the first part of the video was relatively acceptable because it was proning to get behind cover. It would have been better in terms of realism to at least have waited one or two more seconds before getting back up, but I think it is a realistic option to dive behind cover and get up shortly afterwards to confuse the enemy's aim or if you are unsure where you are being shot from.
At the 13th second, I think the player was just proning in open ground to throw off an enemy's aim, which is important in sniping duels, but probably is not acceptable in TG.

**Aumen1** · 09-29-2009, 09:59 AM

I don't see anything wrong in that video.

**LordKelvin** · 09-29-2009, 10:04 AM

Merc, he wasn't getting behind anything. After the first one where the crest of the bump in the ground was actually between him and the enemy, the rest of it was just him prone dancing about so he wouldn't get shot out in the open.

**Crux** · 09-29-2009, 10:12 AM

The first couple of flops were just smart use of the terrain I think. But it is obvious watching the entire thing that it wouldn't have mattered to him whether or not the first flops put him behind the tiny ridge or not - jumping to the ground every few seconds is just what he does, and that's not acceptable imo.

**Crux** · 09-29-2009, 10:15 AM

I really don't see that a definition is that hard.

Bunnyflopping is when a player uses prone repeatedly in quick succession as a means of avoiding fire when a lack of cover is available.

**LordKelvin** · 09-29-2009, 10:20 AM

Let me further add to that with : "they prone repeatedly and in quick succession to avoid incoming fire and make no attempt to get to cover"...

That really clinches it. A person that bunnyhops does so in the open to avoid fire/throw off people's aim with no attempt to use cover. A bunnyflopper does the same, except by proning. Both should be disallowed.

**Superfast** · 09-29-2009, 11:01 AM

Thing is when a few people start using prone or bunny-flopping on the server for their amazing twitch moves one on one, others will catch on and soon it's prone galore out there.

**Lorax74** · 09-29-2009, 11:14 AM

Originally Posted by Crux

Bunnyflopping is when a player uses prone repeatedly in quick succession as a means of avoiding fire when a lack of cover is available.

I like...

**LeFrancoy** · 09-29-2009, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by Aumen1

I don't see anything wrong in that video.

I hope you are joking :¬∫

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