Re: XM-25 is US Military's PK-Rocket

**Mercenary90** · 12-28-2009, 11:20 PM

Originally Posted by Britt

Hell yes. Got a sniper? Not sure what window he's in? Bring up the M240. Not sure what floor he's on? Call in some armor. Not sure what building he's in? That's why we brought the JDAMs.

Some MG in the woods? It's displacing? We can't pin it down? That's why we brought plenty of artillery. No trees, no MGs.

There are no points in war for expending limited ammo. No infiltrator pins, no KDR. Accuracy stats are not tracked. Did you just use a 50,00 dollar missile to kill four guys with RPGs older then they are? If yes, then you are doing it right.

Call for air support, let the tanks deal with it, level the grid square with a time on target barrage. There are no points for second place, and there is no kill like overkill. Bounce the rubble.

During WWII, the German prisoners would often bitterly complain about how their fights with American infantry were always interrupted by P-47s or by Allied arty. They said that in the German army the infantry "solved its own problems", while the American infantry would just set up a base of fire and call for indirect fire.

During the Gulf War the USS Missouri used a Pioneer UAV to spot targets for her 16 inch guns. The Missouri moved off the gunline after a bit, and USS Wisconsin took over. As the Wisconsin's Pioneer flew over head, the Iraqi soldiers frantically began to wave bedsheets and handkerchiefs at it.

But of course, there is collateral damage. Hence the restriction on airstrikes in Afghanistan.

**Sluggo78** · 12-29-2009, 12:21 AM

They shall make battlewalkers next, along with titans,cloaking devices, sentry guns & deployable IPS shields!

**boosteryu** · 12-29-2009, 12:36 AM

What are you talking about.... they'll make Battlefield Bad Company 2

**xrisonfire08** · 12-30-2009, 06:24 AM

Originally Posted by Fruvous

Q-Spotting
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPPNLgyv5I8[/media]

The larger version of that, the big green one also shown, is the FBCB2. Really fun toys, but you dont want to play with it when its live. :/

**Argetnar** · 01-02-2010, 10:18 PM

Originally Posted by Britt

Hell yes. Got a sniper? Not sure what window he's in? Bring up the M240. Not sure what floor he's on? Call in some armor. Not sure what building he's in? That's why we brought the JDAMs.

Some MG in the woods? It's displacing? We can't pin it down? That's why we brought plenty of artillery. No trees, no MGs.

There are no points in war for expending limited ammo. No infiltrator pins, no KDR. Accuracy stats are not tracked. Did you just use a 50,00 dollar missile to kill four guys with RPGs older then they are? If yes, then you are doing it right.

Call for air support, let the tanks deal with it, level the grid square with a time on target barrage. There are no points for second place, and there is no kill like overkill. Bounce the rubble.

During WWII, the German prisoners would often bitterly complain about how their fights with American infantry were always interrupted by P-47s or by Allied arty. They said that in the German army the infantry "solved its own problems", while the American infantry would just set up a base of fire and call for indirect fire.

During the Gulf War the USS Missouri used a Pioneer UAV to spot targets for her 16 inch guns. The Missouri moved off the gunline after a bit, and USS Wisconsin took over. As the Wisconsin's Pioneer flew over head, the Iraqi soldiers frantically began to wave bedsheets and handkerchiefs at it.

While expending expensive missiles that blow the snot out of the enemy is fun, what if the soldiers are in too close proximity for artillery/bombs? What if the armor cannot get to the point fast enough? What if your artillery is gone? What if there is no available aircover for a few hours? This weapon solves those problems. I think what you fail to understand is that there is such thing as money (I know the military has tons of it but still) and there are no unlimited supply hubs and you do have to prioritize what you use the expensive stuff on. You are correct wit the statement "there is no kill like over kill" though.

**Desperation** · 01-03-2010, 11:00 PM

mmmm gotta love over kill

**boosteryu** · 01-12-2010, 12:20 AM

Originally Posted by Britt

Some MG in the woods? It's displacing? We can't pin it down? That's why we brought plenty of artillery. No trees, no MGs.

That makes me think of a joke.

It's a 5 years old kid that ask something to his mother: "Mom, can I have some cookies?"

The mother replies: "They are on the shelve".
"But I can't reach it"
"Use a chair" says the mother.

So the kid grabs a chair, get on, then he says :"Mom... I still can't reach the cookie jar!"
(Poor kid...)

So the mother ask why he can't reach it.

The kid says:"I have no arms."

Then the mother says:"Oh well! No arms, no cookies!"

**experiment626** · 01-12-2010, 11:16 AM

THe rockets have been under development since BF 2 days. They were originally going to go on the combined XM-8. They were incorporating a 20mm grenade launcher at the time. I guess they decided budget cuts take precedence, as they canceled the xm-8. Nice to see they kept the RPK system tough and developed it.

A problem with Every Soldier a Sensor though...it gives the brigade and Division commander the ability to micromanage the soldier on the battlefield. A SL is starting to suffer from the same information overload pilots face. Too much info on the HUD, too much info on the GPS/MFD and too much chatter from brigade.

A lot more work needs to go into simplfying the info the soldier receives in the field and let the LT get on with securing the objective.

**Bucklin** · 01-18-2010, 01:46 AM

Originally Posted by xrisonfire08

The larger version of that, the big green one also shown, is the FBCB2. Really fun toys, but you dont want to play with it when its live. :/

Anyone else notice the FBCB2 is BFBC2 scrambled? The military communications platform is actually Bad Company 2 in disguise!

**Cheburash** · 01-18-2010, 11:00 AM

Frag-12 grenade round for a 12-ga shotgun.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4ebtj1jR7c[/media]
In particular 4:25 and on. No preset detonation range option, but it has one distinct advantage over the XM-25.

**sordavie** · 01-18-2010, 11:28 AM

It's "probably the most powerful weapon in the world" huh? lol.

**Cheburash** · 01-18-2010, 11:49 AM

Sure. Takes on an aircraft carrier any day.

**sordavie** · 01-18-2010, 12:15 PM

Originally Posted by Mercenary90

But of course, there is collateral damage. Hence the restriction on airstrikes in Afghanistan.

The way to win such a war is to cause as much collateral damage as possible. For instance the Philippine-American war, where we tortured and exterminated any Filipino suspected of being an insurgent or helping the insurgents, including women and children as young as 10, torched entire villages, and so on. I suppose it helped that at the time, the idea that Filipinos and Asians in general were little better than dogs was pretty prevalent in the US. In any case we won because we waged a total war on that country that killed over 1/9th of the entire Philippine population, and they just couldn't sustain any kind of war effort, conventional or guerrilla, against us anymore.

**SharinganTH1422** · 01-18-2010, 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by Cheburash

Frag-12 grenade round for a 12-ga shotgun.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4ebtj1jR7c[/media]
In particular 4:25 and on. No preset detonation range option, but it has one distinct advantage over the XM-25.

You can use those in MW2...pretty badass.

**Mercenary90** · 01-18-2010, 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by sordavie

The way to win such a war is to cause as much collateral damage as possible. For instance the Philippine-American war, where we tortured and exterminated any Filipino suspected of being an insurgent or helping the insurgents, including women and children as young as 10, torched entire villages, and so on. I suppose it helped that at the time, the idea that Filipinos and Asians in general were little better than dogs was pretty prevalent in the US. In any case we won because we waged a total war on that country that killed over 1/9th of the entire Philippine population, and they just couldn't sustain any kind of war effort, conventional or guerrilla, against us anymore.

That is one viable school of thought. However, the other viable method of counterinsurgency was applied in Ireland during The Troubles. I am not an Irishman and have no significant experience in COIN, but it seems to me that the British strategy consisted largely of reactionary measures rather than active extermination of the population as the government attempted to reach a political agreement with rebels. Even if this strategy is not applicable to all parts of the globe, it is probably unacceptable for an extermination strategy to be openly applied in the modern world without condemnation from the international community or accusations of committing war crimes.

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