Unlocks and you (and us) - Page 10

**MasterEditorInChief** · 11-02-2006, 05:17 PM

I heard a conversation over TeamSpeak the other night about what to do about unlocks: should you go ladder by ladder or pick an unlock from every kit and experiment? Personally, I chose to have my frag grenades first. In BF2, frags were so useful in choke points and flag defends, so it was natural for me to get that first. These are all my opinion, but I think the essential unlocks are:

1. Frags. Player Ability, all purpose explosive, for defense or offense.

2. Defibrillator. Assault kit, keeps players alive and racks up points quickly. Plus, there's nothing more embarassing than a Defibrillator kill. It actually has a bit more range than the knife, so think about that when going CQC. Dogtags or an overall hillarious and shameful death??

3. Energy shield. Support kit, when you don't have cover, just make your own. Very useful on Titan defenses. Throw these down in a corridor for cover, and they also serve as a short wall that enemies must jump over, giving you more time to defend.

4. RDX Demolition Packs. Recon Kit, c4's offspring. If you used c4 in BF2, you know how to use this stuff.

5. Squad Leader Beacon. Player Ability, a mobile spawn point you can laid down anywhere. If you want to continually pressure a point, throw down a beacon so when you or your troops die, they can continue the attack at that position.

Also, never choose a weapon unlock (aka Lambert Carbine or Ganz HMG) without trying it out first. How do you do this, you ask? Unlock all the sidearms like mines, advanced utilities (meds, ammo, repair) below the desired weapon, and work your way into a Field Upgrade in game. This should give you a good idea of whether or not you should unlock a certain weapon permanently before something else. For right now, I'm holding off unlocking the AA unlock for the engineer kit and considering my other options. If you have it already, tell me a bit more about it so I can make up my mind.

**Shiner** · 11-02-2006, 05:48 PM

I think the sprint ability is often overlooked. My order of unlock (and I would do it again)

1. Frags
2. Defibs
3. Stamina Increase
4. Advanced Med Hub (What player doesn't need to get healed every 10 seconds? Do this unlock to make yours and everone elses play last longer).
5. SL Beacon

I would also NOT unlock any final tier weapons. Within 30 minutes in a TG squad you should have a ton of field upgrades. Save that unlock for something that makes your character more flexible and use the field upgrade to grab those questionably useful gun unlocks.

**Clodhopper** · 11-02-2006, 07:02 PM

Yeah, can't say I care too much about the guns under support. I can lay down some fire, hit a guy multiple times with it and still get outshot by somone with an assault kit. To be honest, I'm thinking of re-doing my soldier (if its possible) and I'll probably take Shiners advice and stick with basics I can use, and save the fancy toys for field upgrades.

**Tarenth** · 11-02-2006, 10:46 PM

I believe dogtags will net you an extra career point per rank of the person you killed. Also, there's the collector's badge and pin to consider when it comes to getting up the ranks as quickly as possible.

In fact, its totally possible to get a few ranks easily by just creating a game where people spawn next to each other and farm the knife kills. Do it next to a silo or capture point under squad orders and you get even more career points towards your unlocks by amassing squad bonus and SL bonus points. Have your CO order the attack/defense and you also net the CO points with +commander points. In fact, its probably the most exploitable way to amass career points ever.

I'm really starting to hate the Recon kit players. Mostly because in PUBs they steal all the jeeps and turn them into bomb cars with or without your knowledge. Load it up with RDX and either drive it yourself or wait for a team mate to get in and get close to something like a tank or walker and BOOM instant kills. Slapping RDX on the weak spots of vehicles in the motor pool is also annoying. Nothing like RDX going off the back of your tank or bottom of your walker/APC the moment you spawn and get in to annoy you greatly.

Telorn · 11-03-2006, 08:05 AM

Tarenth,

I'm pretty sure TG frowns upon actions like that. Get on the teamspeak server before you join 2142 and let an admin know when someone is acting like that.

**Tarenth** · 11-03-2006, 09:07 PM

Hence why I used the term exploitable and not easiest.

On the flip side some of the easiest career points can be made as a recon with health and ammo hubs deployed nearby. (If your PUB teammate are being stingy just swipe the assault and support kits off your kills and deploy your own) Using APMs and RDX defenses at choakpoints will net you explosive kills and killing people with your handgun will work towards your handgun badge. Its pretty easy too since the handgun is apparently more damaging and accurate than the stock assualt rifle.

Doing this on titan defense will also net you a few titan defender badges which come in at 20 points each and can be won multiple times per round.

Is there any need to explain why I like titan matches so much?

**Shiner** · 11-07-2006, 12:59 PM

Here is my current strategy on unlocks. Green are currently unlocks with yellow as my field upgrades. I've noticed that I have so many good options for field upgrades I really struggle in-game to select the right one (if I get the AT gun invariably the next map is infantry only).

Future unlocks are denoted with a number for the order I'm planning on taking and orange shading indicates the Field unlocks I will have when I've achieved all 9 future unlocks.
Any comments on the selection order of my next unlocks?

My understanding is that around the ~20 unlock it gets much harder get the remaining weapons.

Zoopy · 11-08-2006, 10:51 AM

Everyone should get the first three player ability unlocks right away. They are the most useful byfar. The difference is huge once you realise, "Hey, I can run more then 2 meters without running out of breath". Of course if you use light armour it woudn't be as noticeable.

jepzilla · 11-08-2006, 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zoopy_T

Everyone should get the first three player ability unlocks right away. They are the most useful byfar. The difference is huge once you realise, "Hey, I can run more then 2 meters without running out of breath". Of course if you use light armour it woudn't be as noticeable.

If you wear light armour and have the sprint unlocks, you can run halfway across some of those infantry maps. It's crazy.

Virigoth · 11-08-2006, 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tarenth

Its pretty easy too since the handgun is apparently more damaging and accurate than the stock assualt rifle.

After getting the bronze and silver handgun badge I can safely say that while it may do the damage, the ROF leaves a lot to be desired

Only way to use handgun well is to use it with 'I'm holding a knife' mentality of sneaking around people's backs.

TheFatKidDeath · 11-12-2006, 09:27 PM

How's the Koenig H-AVR on the Engineer kit? I used it briefly on a pick up kit and one shot on the back of a PAC tank and it was down! Was alot of fun to use

I'm working on the left side of the Engineer tree. Thoughts on that weapon?

Maus · 11-12-2006, 10:54 PM

I'm ~200 points from the AVR. I'd have it already but I got distracted by how useful the grenades are and unlocked them.

Now, if I could get into the damn game I might've been able to get that new toy tonight, but it's not destined to be.

**Shiner** · 11-12-2006, 11:01 PM

the H-AVR is by far the most useful gun unlock.

**Tarenth** · 11-13-2006, 05:13 AM

H-AVR (Heavy Anti-Vehicle Rifle) is a very very nice gun. However, like all things it does come at a trade off.

Most notable is the loss of the 'one hit kill' to FAVs. The H-AVR will knock a FAV down to the burning stage giving the driver and passangers a few seconds to bail. This is especially true if the car is on the move since the momentum will carry its blast radius past the people who bailed and leave them relatively unharmed.

Both a blessing and a curse is the loss of the 'lock on' tone people in vehicles get. Its a blessing because you can sneak up and track them for those sweet spot shots. Its a curse because there's nothing more amusing than pointing your rocket at a tank in the middle of a field and watching it freak out because they've got tone.

The H-AVR is also less forgiving and capable of pulling off trick shots with. It fires a fast moving dumb projectile at a target that makes hitting at range a lot more of a skill and luck factor, but if you miss its definately a miss. The stock rocket will track the target slightly as long as you have your crosshairs on it which means you can actually shoot from the side and hit the back of a tank by making it turn into it. ^_^

I'd still take the H-AVR over the stock rockets though since it has a slightly faster reload speed and since its 'fire and forget' you can duck back into cover faster.

Acreo Aeneas · 11-13-2006, 05:40 PM

I currently have all of the Assault Kit unlocked (both branches) and I particularly like being Assault and Medic. I find myself supporting the squad as a whole and/or the squad leader (on those detached missions). I'm currently working on getting my player abilities up so I can more fully act as an Assault based support member for each TG squad I'm in.

Also as Assault, I can do some medium sniping or medium commando work.

Mainly I find myself as Assault and trying my best to maximize on the various roles Assault kit can provide.

11-02-2006, 05:17 PM	#136 (permalink)
MasterEditorInChief Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 789	Re: Unlocks and you (and us) I heard a conversation over TeamSpeak the other night about what to do about unlocks: should you go ladder by ladder or pick an unlock from every kit and experiment? Personally, I chose to have my frag grenades first. In BF2, frags were so useful in choke points and flag defends, so it was natural for me to get that first. These are all my opinion, but I think the essential unlocks are: 1. Frags. Player Ability, all purpose explosive, for defense or offense. 2. Defibrillator. Assault kit, keeps players alive and racks up points quickly. Plus, there's nothing more embarassing than a Defibrillator kill. It actually has a bit more range than the knife, so think about that when going CQC. Dogtags or an overall hillarious and shameful death?? 3. Energy shield. Support kit, when you don't have cover, just make your own. Very useful on Titan defenses. Throw these down in a corridor for cover, and they also serve as a short wall that enemies must jump over, giving you more time to defend. 4. RDX Demolition Packs. Recon Kit, c4's offspring. If you used c4 in BF2, you know how to use this stuff. 5. Squad Leader Beacon. Player Ability, a mobile spawn point you can laid down anywhere. If you want to continually pressure a point, throw down a beacon so when you or your troops die, they can continue the attack at that position. Also, never choose a weapon unlock (aka Lambert Carbine or Ganz HMG) without trying it out first. How do you do this, you ask? Unlock all the sidearms like mines, advanced utilities (meds, ammo, repair) below the desired weapon, and work your way into a Field Upgrade in game. This should give you a good idea of whether or not you should unlock a certain weapon permanently before something else. For right now, I'm holding off unlocking the AA unlock for the engineer kit and considering my other options. If you have it already, tell me a bit more about it so I can make up my mind. __________________ "On that day half a century ago, our species was pushed to the crumbling edge of extinction. And as we teetered on that precipice, staring down into the abyss, a hand reached out, pulled us back from the brink, and gave us hope... the hand of a Hero."

11-02-2006, 05:48 PM	#137 (permalink)
Shiner Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Dallas, TX Age: 30 Posts: 2,256	Re: Unlocks and you (and us) I think the sprint ability is often overlooked. My order of unlock (and I would do it again) 1. Frags 2. Defibs 3. Stamina Increase 4. Advanced Med Hub (What player doesn't need to get healed every 10 seconds? Do this unlock to make yours and everone elses play last longer). 5. SL Beacon I would also NOT unlock any final tier weapons. Within 30 minutes in a TG squad you should have a ton of field upgrades. Save that unlock for something that makes your character more flexible and use the field upgrade to grab those questionably useful gun unlocks. __________________

11-02-2006, 07:02 PM	#138 (permalink)
Clodhopper Join Date: May 2006 Location: Saskatchewan, Canada Age: 26 Posts: 1,474	Re: Unlocks and you (and us) Yeah, can't say I care too much about the guns under support. I can lay down some fire, hit a guy multiple times with it and still get outshot by somone with an assault kit. To be honest, I'm thinking of re-doing my soldier (if its possible) and I'll probably take Shiners advice and stick with basics I can use, and save the fancy toys for field upgrades. __________________ \|TG\|Clodhopper - Intelligence is the key, but I'm locked out! "Dude, everytime I see your avatar, I get hungry!" - Leejo \|\| TG on the 360! \|\| Tactical Gamer Primer \|\| Want to be \|TG\|? \|\|

11-02-2006, 10:46 PM	#139 (permalink)
Tarenth Join Date: May 2006 Location: California Posts: 2,198	Re: Unlocks and you (and us) I believe dogtags will net you an extra career point per rank of the person you killed. Also, there's the collector's badge and pin to consider when it comes to getting up the ranks as quickly as possible. In fact, its totally possible to get a few ranks easily by just creating a game where people spawn next to each other and farm the knife kills. Do it next to a silo or capture point under squad orders and you get even more career points towards your unlocks by amassing squad bonus and SL bonus points. Have your CO order the attack/defense and you also net the CO points with +commander points. In fact, its probably the most exploitable way to amass career points ever. I'm really starting to hate the Recon kit players. Mostly because in PUBs they steal all the jeeps and turn them into bomb cars with or without your knowledge. Load it up with RDX and either drive it yourself or wait for a team mate to get in and get close to something like a tank or walker and BOOM instant kills. Slapping RDX on the weak spots of vehicles in the motor pool is also annoying. Nothing like RDX going off the back of your tank or bottom of your walker/APC the moment you spawn and get in to annoy you greatly. __________________ My sanity is not in question... It was a confirmed casualty some time ago. \|TG\|Tarenth Battlefield 2142 Mirra World of Warcraft Light, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to hide the bodies of the people I had to kill because they ticked me off.

11-03-2006, 08:05 AM	#140 (permalink)
Telorn Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Georgia Age: 27 Posts: 2,187	Re: Unlocks and you (and us) Tarenth, I'm pretty sure TG frowns upon actions like that. Get on the teamspeak server before you join 2142 and let an admin know when someone is acting like that. __________________ Telorn

11-03-2006, 09:07 PM	#141 (permalink)
Tarenth Join Date: May 2006 Location: California Posts: 2,198	Re: Unlocks and you (and us) Hence why I used the term exploitable and not easiest. On the flip side some of the easiest career points can be made as a recon with health and ammo hubs deployed nearby. (If your PUB teammate are being stingy just swipe the assault and support kits off your kills and deploy your own) Using APMs and RDX defenses at choakpoints will net you explosive kills and killing people with your handgun will work towards your handgun badge. Its pretty easy too since the handgun is apparently more damaging and accurate than the stock assualt rifle. Doing this on titan defense will also net you a few titan defender badges which come in at 20 points each and can be won multiple times per round. Is there any need to explain why I like titan matches so much? __________________ My sanity is not in question... It was a confirmed casualty some time ago. \|TG\|Tarenth Battlefield 2142 Mirra World of Warcraft Light, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to hide the bodies of the people I had to kill because they ticked me off.

11-07-2006, 12:59 PM	#142 (permalink)
Shiner Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Dallas, TX Age: 30 Posts: 2,256	Re: Unlocks and you (and us) Here is my current strategy on unlocks. Green are currently unlocks with yellow as my field upgrades. I've noticed that I have so many good options for field upgrades I really struggle in-game to select the right one (if I get the AT gun invariably the next map is infantry only). Future unlocks are denoted with a number for the order I'm planning on taking and orange shading indicates the Field unlocks I will have when I've achieved all 9 future unlocks. Any comments on the selection order of my next unlocks? My understanding is that around the ~20 unlock it gets much harder get the remaining weapons. __________________

11-08-2006, 10:51 AM	#143 (permalink)
Zoopy Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,870	Re: Unlocks and you (and us) Everyone should get the first three player ability unlocks right away. They are the most useful byfar. The difference is huge once you realise, "Hey, I can run more then 2 meters without running out of breath". Of course if you use light armour it woudn't be as noticeable.

11-12-2006, 09:27 PM	#146 (permalink)
TheFatKidDeath Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Santa Monica, CA Age: 39 Posts: 2,796	Re: Unlocks and you (and us) How's the Koenig H-AVR on the Engineer kit? I used it briefly on a pick up kit and one shot on the back of a PAC tank and it was down! Was alot of fun to use I'm working on the left side of the Engineer tree. Thoughts on that weapon? __________________ \|TG-9th\| TheFatKidDeath "Born to Party, Forced to Work." http://www.theonion.com/content/node/55640 - Check me out on The Onion http://www.theonion.com/content/vide...ssfully_avoids - I'm on the local news!

11-12-2006, 10:54 PM	#147 (permalink)
Maus Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 326	Re: Unlocks and you (and us) I'm ~200 points from the AVR. I'd have it already but I got distracted by how useful the grenades are and unlocked them. Now, if I could get into the damn game I might've been able to get that new toy tonight, but it's not destined to be. __________________ 2142: \|TG-Irr\| Silverfish BF2: \|TG-Irr\| Maus

11-12-2006, 11:01 PM	#148 (permalink)
Shiner Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Dallas, TX Age: 30 Posts: 2,256	Re: Unlocks and you (and us) the H-AVR is by far the most useful gun unlock. __________________

11-13-2006, 05:13 AM	#149 (permalink)
Tarenth Join Date: May 2006 Location: California Posts: 2,198	Re: Unlocks and you (and us) H-AVR (Heavy Anti-Vehicle Rifle) is a very very nice gun. However, like all things it does come at a trade off. Most notable is the loss of the 'one hit kill' to FAVs. The H-AVR will knock a FAV down to the burning stage giving the driver and passangers a few seconds to bail. This is especially true if the car is on the move since the momentum will carry its blast radius past the people who bailed and leave them relatively unharmed. Both a blessing and a curse is the loss of the 'lock on' tone people in vehicles get. Its a blessing because you can sneak up and track them for those sweet spot shots. Its a curse because there's nothing more amusing than pointing your rocket at a tank in the middle of a field and watching it freak out because they've got tone. The H-AVR is also less forgiving and capable of pulling off trick shots with. It fires a fast moving dumb projectile at a target that makes hitting at range a lot more of a skill and luck factor, but if you miss its definately a miss. The stock rocket will track the target slightly as long as you have your crosshairs on it which means you can actually shoot from the side and hit the back of a tank by making it turn into it. ^_^ I'd still take the H-AVR over the stock rockets though since it has a slightly faster reload speed and since its 'fire and forget' you can duck back into cover faster. __________________ My sanity is not in question... It was a confirmed casualty some time ago. \|TG\|Tarenth Battlefield 2142 Mirra World of Warcraft Light, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to hide the bodies of the people I had to kill because they ticked me off.

11-13-2006, 05:40 PM	#150 (permalink)
Acreo Aeneas Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: DePaul University (Chicago) Age: 22 Posts: 4,652	Re: Unlocks and you (and us) I currently have all of the Assault Kit unlocked (both branches) and I particularly like being Assault and Medic. I find myself supporting the squad as a whole and/or the squad leader (on those detached missions). I'm currently working on getting my player abilities up so I can more fully act as an Assault based support member for each TG squad I'm in. Also as Assault, I can do some medium sniping or medium commando work. Mainly I find myself as Assault and trying my best to maximize on the various roles Assault kit can provide. __________________ Acreo_Aeneas Former 9th MID Member Current Obsessions: Netbooks and other low-cost, small, and portable PCs. RSS Feeds: Bamboo

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