Game Specific General Discussion

Hambergler · 11-20-2006, 11:02 PM

I have to say, I get excited to play 2142, then after playing awhile. I get this strange hallow feeling. I don't know why. It's kind of like I just had meaningless sex. Instead being with someone I love. I went with the trashy good looking blond I met at the bar. I don't know if it's the lack of teamplay or the game itself. Maybe I'm feeling used by EA. I do think the game is really lacking depth on some of the maps.
Another contributing factor in the unfamiliarity is the amount of people sporting TG tags that don't know anything about TG. I used to see the TG tag and feel a little bit of comfort that maybe there will be some teamplay going on. One kid asked me what TG stood for. After I told him, he asked about joining the clan. I said It's not a clan it's a community. Then he asked if you needed to be a supporting member to wear the tags. I said no, but you have to read the sop and follow the rules. Before I could get 3 more kills he had TG tags on. I'm not suggesting to change the structure. I am saying maybe the information about who can wear the tags should only be available at the end of the sop. And if anyone asks they should be directed there and not told anything else about it. That way when someone is wearing the TG tags there is more of a reason to believe that they have read the sop. I like 2142, but I'm afraid the teamplay will not reach acceptable levels because there is not enough veteran TGers involved to lead by example. The lack of embrace by most of the TG community is definitely a sign of a decline in civilization at EA. I believe the BF series are the greatest games ever. I will give 2142 a little more time, but if the triteness doesn't go away. I'm going to have to say au revoir. And stick with POE PR and Tacmod and wait for a new king to emerge. One thing for sure is, it is not 2142.

**Red** · 11-20-2006, 11:25 PM

I dont think its the game per say its mostly the nature of a ranked server and all the pubbies, POE has these moments as well. The problem we have is that TG is split on many levels on accepting new games and how to play games and what type of game is the king of all.

I believe the universal king you are talking about will be really hard to find. I guess its going to be a game not from EA as people just dont like playing games made by EA even if a few are actually pretty good games.

I have had great moments in BF2142 but I agree with you we could use even more involved TG people, on the other side we are seeing more people becoming signature members.

I still enjoy playing 2142 more than POE on a regular night. Its just feel more fresh, maybe new infantry maps for POE will draw me back to BF2.

I dont think we should give up on 2142 just yet, we should instead double our efforts if not for 2142 but for all the new members that will find us and stay in the community by stubling on our ranked server for 2142. Then we will be ready for that king that will come.

I think the first steps it to declare a specific TG 2142 day.

**TheFatKidDeath** · 11-20-2006, 11:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hambergler

I have to say, I get excited to play 2142, then after playing awhile. I get this strange hallow feeling. I don't know why. It's kind of like I just had meaningless sex. Instead being with someone I love. I went with the trashy good looking blond I met at the bar. I don't know if it's the lack of teamplay or the game itself. Maybe I'm feeling used by EA. I do think the game is really lacking depth on some of the maps.
Another contributing factor in the unfamiliarity is the amount of people sporting TG tags that don't know anything about TG. I used to see the TG tag and feel a little bit of comfort that maybe there will be some teamplay going on. One kid asked me what TG stood for. After I told him, he asked about joining the clan. I said It's not a clan it's a community. Then he asked if you needed to be a supporting member to wear the tags. I said no, but you have to read the sop and follow the rules. Before I could get 3 more kills he had TG tags on. I'm not suggesting to change the structure. I am saying maybe the information about who can wear the tags should only be available at the end of the sop. And if anyone asks they should be directed there and not told anything else about it. That way when someone is wearing the TG tags there is more of a reason to believe that they have read the sop. I like 2142, but I'm afraid the teamplay will not reach acceptable levels because there is not enough veteran TGers involved to lead by example. The lack of embrace by most of the TG community is definitely a sign of a decline in civilization at EA. I believe the BF series are the greatest games ever. I will give 2142 a little more time, but if the triteness doesn't go away. I'm going to have to say au revoir. And stick with POE PR and Tacmod and wait for a new king to emerge. One thing for sure is, it is not 2142.

Ham, I would first ask have you led your own Learn TG squad? This is key and has brought in alot of new quality players. Look at all the new players that have dropped in and registered on the forums and quite a few of them have become SM's.

Secondly, I remember all the doom and gloom talk about us having a public BF 2142 server. I've had alot of great games. Yes, there is the occasional bad player but I think we have done a good job of enforcing the rules and we are bookmarked on alot of players favorites.

Speaking of the game, it offers alot of tactial play with all the new game features.

I know we have talked about a password night for TGer's and perhaps we can make that happen acouple nights aweek.

**TheFatKidDeath** · 11-20-2006, 11:51 PM

I just got done counting the "Drop a HI" thread and came up with 21 new players who registered on our forums because of BF 2142. Five of those have become supporting members. The game has been out for a month so that's not a bad ratio of getting new quality players.

Also, Ham your quote -

"I'm afraid the teamplay will not reach acceptable levels because there is not enough veteran TGers involved to lead by example."

Not true. The Learn TG squads lead by veteran TGer's are leading the way and the number of new players on the forums we have brought in will only increase.

Arf · 11-20-2006, 11:59 PM

You shouldn't ever tell players that anyone can join. Only direct them to the site and let them figure out the rest.

Acreo Aeneas · 11-21-2006, 12:30 AM

Ultimately, how a player with |TG| tags on reflects on the community as a whole is based on how well that player follow our establish play style, rules, and structure. I think players need to have some integrity, honesty, and higher moral guidelines in order to achieve success to a degree here at TG but also for them to represent us as a community.

And as for the clan thing, I've been in several clans, and even led a very successful one myself, but communities like TG are not commonplace in other games like it is in the BF series or the UT series. Most gamers are familiar with leagues and clans, and might not have known there existed non-clan communities who are bound by their own rightous code.

In order for there to be "veterans", non-vets need to be taught and they need to be open-minded and willing to learn. Then they in turn need to be willing to lead, teach/show others, and possess some quality at doing so. I don't think you should loose faith just because most gamers out there in 2142 are lone-wolves. There will always be teamplayers who believe and follow the ideals and codes set down by TG. Given time, TG will regain what teamwork it has lost due to new players joining.

**Gillespie** · 11-21-2006, 02:41 AM

If nothing else, a "realism" mod will eventually pop up for 2142. As with all online FPS, increasing rifle damage or lowering player's health is sure to make everyone move about a bit more "tactically".

The main thing BF2142 has going against it is the "this is just a $50 BF2 mod!" mentality. Perhaps so... but BF2142 fixed a LOT of annoyances I had with BF2. Plus the tactical options available to a smart player is a lot larger.

Zhoed · 11-21-2006, 05:48 AM

Well,

I'm one of the new members of these forums, after seeing a banner ad for you guys over at the 22CW site.

I don't have the time available to commit to a league/tournament, but a server that encourages (demands, even) tactical squad play is exactly what I've been looking for...and I know I'm not alone.

After having a couple of sessions in LearnTG squads, I found the learnTG squads full and so started my own. I've never intentionally been SL before as I don't think I'd be any good at it, but you got to start somewhere right

It's very encouraging to play as a squad when yu have a CO who actually gives oreders, reponds to requests and has a plan.

I need to work on my communication a bit more, but hey! no-one's perfect

The more new players you can encourage to register here, play on the server and abide by the TG code of conduct, then the more TG players you'll have around to encourage more new players etc.

As for whetehr 2142 is the new king...I played BF2 for a while but as I quickly got very tired of muppets on public servers running around willy nilly that didn't last long. This server, you guys, playing 2142 the way you do makes 2142 the King.

BHack · 11-21-2006, 09:20 AM

2142 fixed many broken tactical elements of BF2. BF2 felt like more of a sandbox game -- "Lets let them fly Jets and Helicopters and make them all realistically deadly!" Of course, in real life an infantry man has no chance against a jet and slim to no chance against and attack helo, but this doesn't really make for a fun game.

Because of that though, BF2 felt more dramatic and open-ended, this was cool, but fundamentally flawed.

BF2142 is more of an evolution of concept. It takes away some of the magic but tweaks the game in such a way to make it a more balanced and a pleasant experience. Alot of the things that POE 2 did which I thought were moves in the right direction, BF2142 did also. Being a competitive player, I noticed all the small tweaks to the game. Gun damage, accuracy, reload time, grenade throw time, etc. You can tell DICE really paid attention to detail.

I like BF2142. I think it's a better game than BF2. The problems I have with the game are based on poor programming and mostly relate to interface, bugs, and INCONSISTENCY. How you could code a game where there is a 40% chance that your setting changes don't stick, have that pass Q&A, and then not patch it in 1 week after release blows my mind, and I'm a professional in the industry.

**ThePenguineer** · 11-21-2006, 10:19 AM

I've randomly gotten a few people on my buddy list from leading Learn TG squads. In fact, I started putting the TG tags on so that's its easier to get people to come to the forums when they know I am a part of TG.

However, I do second the observation of random people with TG tags. I thought it was funny when I joined a squad full of TG tags and they were all suprised to hear a female voice when I started talking. "Dude, you're a girl?!?!" It was then that I knew I was in the wrong squad.

=Sarc= · 11-21-2006, 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThePenguineer

I've randomly gotten a few people on my buddy list from leading Learn TG squads. In fact, I started putting the TG tags on so that's its easier to get people to come to the forums when they know I am a part of TG.

However, I do second the observation of random people with TG tags. I thought it was funny when I joined a squad full of TG tags and they were all suprised to hear a female voice when I started talking. "Dude, you're a girl?!?!" It was then that I knew I was in the wrong squad.

Just say you're a 12 year old kid. Then you won't have to deal with players hitting on you. :P

Telorn · 11-21-2006, 10:40 AM

Dude, you're a girl!? I'm adding you to my buddy list!

BHack · 11-21-2006, 10:54 AM

I thought you were a 12 year old kid, actually.

DirtyLude · 11-21-2006, 11:30 AM

Dude, you're a girl?!

There's some filters for the X-Fi that can change your voice. I always wondered if I could get them to work with the BF VOIP.

I agree the BHack. BF2142 is a step in the right direction. The only downsides I see are the loads of newbies/pubbies on our server, which seems to be dying down now, and the bugs which seem totally obvious to everyone, but somehow EA missed them.

Even with that, I play BF2142 exclusively now.

Zoopy_T · 11-21-2006, 11:44 AM

2142 is great for teamwork. I've played BF2 for like 140 hours and have no memory of any real teamwork at all. No VOIP or anything (altough I never played on the TG BF2 server). But I guess it varies from server to server. I've been on the TG server where no one was working together at all and it was kind of crappy.

Also, ThePenguineer doesn't sound like a 12 year old kid. Those 12 year olds have the most wretched and shriekiest voices which causes my ears to bleed. I usually have to leave the squad if they are on VOIP.

11-20-2006, 11:02 PM	#1 (permalink)
Hambergler Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Houston, TX Age: 33 Posts: 1,040	Game Specific General Discussion I have to say, I get excited to play 2142, then after playing awhile. I get this strange hallow feeling. I don't know why. It's kind of like I just had meaningless sex. Instead being with someone I love. I went with the trashy good looking blond I met at the bar. I don't know if it's the lack of teamplay or the game itself. Maybe I'm feeling used by EA. I do think the game is really lacking depth on some of the maps. Another contributing factor in the unfamiliarity is the amount of people sporting TG tags that don't know anything about TG. I used to see the TG tag and feel a little bit of comfort that maybe there will be some teamplay going on. One kid asked me what TG stood for. After I told him, he asked about joining the clan. I said It's not a clan it's a community. Then he asked if you needed to be a supporting member to wear the tags. I said no, but you have to read the sop and follow the rules. Before I could get 3 more kills he had TG tags on. I'm not suggesting to change the structure. I am saying maybe the information about who can wear the tags should only be available at the end of the sop. And if anyone asks they should be directed there and not told anything else about it. That way when someone is wearing the TG tags there is more of a reason to believe that they have read the sop. I like 2142, but I'm afraid the teamplay will not reach acceptable levels because there is not enough veteran TGers involved to lead by example. The lack of embrace by most of the TG community is definitely a sign of a decline in civilization at EA. I believe the BF series are the greatest games ever. I will give 2142 a little more time, but if the triteness doesn't go away. I'm going to have to say au revoir. And stick with POE PR and Tacmod and wait for a new king to emerge. One thing for sure is, it is not 2142.

11-20-2006, 11:25 PM	#2 (permalink)
Red Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Chicago Age: 34 Posts: 819	Re: Game Specific General Discussion I dont think its the game per say its mostly the nature of a ranked server and all the pubbies, POE has these moments as well. The problem we have is that TG is split on many levels on accepting new games and how to play games and what type of game is the king of all. I believe the universal king you are talking about will be really hard to find. I guess its going to be a game not from EA as people just dont like playing games made by EA even if a few are actually pretty good games. I have had great moments in BF2142 but I agree with you we could use even more involved TG people, on the other side we are seeing more people becoming signature members. I still enjoy playing 2142 more than POE on a regular night. Its just feel more fresh, maybe new infantry maps for POE will draw me back to BF2. I dont think we should give up on 2142 just yet, we should instead double our efforts if not for 2142 but for all the new members that will find us and stay in the community by stubling on our ranked server for 2142. Then we will be ready for that king that will come. I think the first steps it to declare a specific TG 2142 day.

11-20-2006, 11:51 PM	#4 (permalink)
TheFatKidDeath Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Santa Monica, CA Age: 39 Posts: 2,648	Re: Game Specific General Discussion I just got done counting the "Drop a HI" thread and came up with 21 new players who registered on our forums because of BF 2142. Five of those have become supporting members. The game has been out for a month so that's not a bad ratio of getting new quality players. Also, Ham your quote - "I'm afraid the teamplay will not reach acceptable levels because there is not enough veteran TGers involved to lead by example." Not true. The Learn TG squads lead by veteran TGer's are leading the way and the number of new players on the forums we have brought in will only increase. __________________ \|TG-9th\| TheFatKidDeath "Born to Party, Forced to Work." http://www.theonion.com/content/node/55640 - Check me out on The Onion http://www.theonion.com/content/vide...ssfully_avoids - I'm on the local news!

11-20-2006, 11:59 PM	#5 (permalink)
Arf Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 972	Re: Game Specific General Discussion You shouldn't ever tell players that anyone can join. Only direct them to the site and let them figure out the rest. __________________

11-21-2006, 12:30 AM	#6 (permalink)
Acreo Aeneas Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: DePaul University (Chicago) Age: 22 Posts: 3,734	Re: Game Specific General Discussion Ultimately, how a player with \|TG\| tags on reflects on the community as a whole is based on how well that player follow our establish play style, rules, and structure. I think players need to have some integrity, honesty, and higher moral guidelines in order to achieve success to a degree here at TG but also for them to represent us as a community. And as for the clan thing, I've been in several clans, and even led a very successful one myself, but communities like TG are not commonplace in other games like it is in the BF series or the UT series. Most gamers are familiar with leagues and clans, and might not have known there existed non-clan communities who are bound by their own rightous code. In order for there to be "veterans", non-vets need to be taught and they need to be open-minded and willing to learn. Then they in turn need to be willing to lead, teach/show others, and possess some quality at doing so. I don't think you should loose faith just because most gamers out there in 2142 are lone-wolves. There will always be teamplayers who believe and follow the ideals and codes set down by TG. Given time, TG will regain what teamwork it has lost due to new players joining. __________________ Acreo_Aeneas Former 9th Member "People usually see me and ask if I speak Chinese. I respond by asking if they speak American."

11-21-2006, 02:41 AM	#7 (permalink)
Gillespie Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Colorado Springs, CO Posts: 1,052	Re: Game Specific General Discussion If nothing else, a "realism" mod will eventually pop up for 2142. As with all online FPS, increasing rifle damage or lowering player's health is sure to make everyone move about a bit more "tactically". The main thing BF2142 has going against it is the "this is just a $50 BF2 mod!" mentality. Perhaps so... but BF2142 fixed a LOT of annoyances I had with BF2. Plus the tactical options available to a smart player is a lot larger. __________________ <ArmA Information/SOPs> <ArmA Admin Team> <TG Req. Reading>

11-21-2006, 05:48 AM	#8 (permalink)
Zhoed Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Nottingham, UK Posts: 75	Re: Game Specific General Discussion Well, I'm one of the new members of these forums, after seeing a banner ad for you guys over at the 22CW site. I don't have the time available to commit to a league/tournament, but a server that encourages (demands, even) tactical squad play is exactly what I've been looking for...and I know I'm not alone. After having a couple of sessions in LearnTG squads, I found the learnTG squads full and so started my own. I've never intentionally been SL before as I don't think I'd be any good at it, but you got to start somewhere right It's very encouraging to play as a squad when yu have a CO who actually gives oreders, reponds to requests and has a plan. I need to work on my communication a bit more, but hey! no-one's perfect The more new players you can encourage to register here, play on the server and abide by the TG code of conduct, then the more TG players you'll have around to encourage more new players etc. As for whetehr 2142 is the new king...I played BF2 for a while but as I quickly got very tired of muppets on public servers running around willy nilly that didn't last long. This server, you guys, playing 2142 the way you do makes 2142 the King.

11-21-2006, 09:20 AM	#9 (permalink)
BHack Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Orlando, FL Age: 26 Posts: 1,636	Re: Game Specific General Discussion 2142 fixed many broken tactical elements of BF2. BF2 felt like more of a sandbox game -- "Lets let them fly Jets and Helicopters and make them all realistically deadly!" Of course, in real life an infantry man has no chance against a jet and slim to no chance against and attack helo, but this doesn't really make for a fun game. Because of that though, BF2 felt more dramatic and open-ended, this was cool, but fundamentally flawed. BF2142 is more of an evolution of concept. It takes away some of the magic but tweaks the game in such a way to make it a more balanced and a pleasant experience. Alot of the things that POE 2 did which I thought were moves in the right direction, BF2142 did also. Being a competitive player, I noticed all the small tweaks to the game. Gun damage, accuracy, reload time, grenade throw time, etc. You can tell DICE really paid attention to detail. I like BF2142. I think it's a better game than BF2. The problems I have with the game are based on poor programming and mostly relate to interface, bugs, and INCONSISTENCY. How you could code a game where there is a 40% chance that your setting changes don't stick, have that pass Q&A, and then not patch it in 1 week after release blows my mind, and I'm a professional in the industry. __________________

11-21-2006, 10:19 AM	#10 (permalink)
ThePenguineer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 754	Re: Game Specific General Discussion I've randomly gotten a few people on my buddy list from leading Learn TG squads. In fact, I started putting the TG tags on so that's its easier to get people to come to the forums when they know I am a part of TG. However, I do second the observation of random people with TG tags. I thought it was funny when I joined a squad full of TG tags and they were all suprised to hear a female voice when I started talking. "Dude, you're a girl?!?!" It was then that I knew I was in the wrong squad. __________________ \|TG-Irr\| ThePenguineer ::: \|TG-Irr\| Pengie the Noob TG-Irregulars Communications Officer Want to be more involved in TG? Think Irregulars!

11-21-2006, 10:40 AM	#12 (permalink)
Telorn Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Georgia Age: 27 Posts: 2,187	Re: Game Specific General Discussion Dude, you're a girl!? I'm adding you to my buddy list! __________________ Telorn

11-21-2006, 10:54 AM	#13 (permalink)
BHack Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Orlando, FL Age: 26 Posts: 1,636	Re: Game Specific General Discussion I thought you were a 12 year old kid, actually. __________________

11-21-2006, 11:30 AM	#14 (permalink)
DirtyLude Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 715	Re: Game Specific General Discussion Dude, you're a girl?! There's some filters for the X-Fi that can change your voice. I always wondered if I could get them to work with the BF VOIP. I agree the BHack. BF2142 is a step in the right direction. The only downsides I see are the loads of newbies/pubbies on our server, which seems to be dying down now, and the bugs which seem totally obvious to everyone, but somehow EA missed them. Even with that, I play BF2142 exclusively now. __________________ The Dirty

11-21-2006, 11:44 AM	#15 (permalink)
Zoopy_T Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 1,641	Re: Game Specific General Discussion 2142 is great for teamwork. I've played BF2 for like 140 hours and have no memory of any real teamwork at all. No VOIP or anything (altough I never played on the TG BF2 server). But I guess it varies from server to server. I've been on the TG server where no one was working together at all and it was kind of crappy. Also, ThePenguineer doesn't sound like a 12 year old kid. Those 12 year olds have the most wretched and shriekiest voices which causes my ears to bleed. I usually have to leave the squad if they are on VOIP.

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