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11-21-2006, 03:41 PM #1
Lambert Carbine (recon) vs. Baur H-AR (assault)
So I've just got the basic 3 upgrades (sprint, frags, and stamina), and am ready to start moving up a branch of unlocks... How do these two rifles compare in use?
My BF2 style is generally to leverage situational awareness to get high % kills at medium-range.. almost always with single-shot. Seems like the Baur is the best for that with it's higher damage and what looks like slightly better accuracy...
However, I really like the unlocks that go with the recon kit (netbat fade delay, cloaking, and RDX/APMs).... so I'm wondering how the Lambert is to use? any opinions on it?
Lambert Carbine:
Reload time 4.3s
Deviation Shoot Base/Per Shoot/Reduction 1.2/0.16/0.1
Deviation Min 0.46
Deviation Standing 1.33
Deviation Crouching 1.05
Deviation Zoom 0.7
Bullet Velocity 800 meter/sec
Damage Minimum 20
Damage Normal 25
Damage Decreaseing Distance 25 meter
Only Minimal Damage Distance 55 meters
BAUR H-AR:
Reload time 3s
Deviation Shoot Base/Per Shoot/Reduction 2/0.33/0.08
Deviation Min 0.38
Deviation Standing 1.3
Deviation Crouching 1.1
Deviation Zoom 0.65
Bullet Velocity 1000 meter/sec
Damage Minimum 22
Damage Normal 34
Damage Decreasing Distance 40 meter
Only Minimal Damage Distance 70 meters
also - the PK-74 AR-Rocket looks interesting - any comments on that?
edit: am I reading it right where the deviation decreases after each successive shot?
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11-21-2006, 03:48 PM #2
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Re: Lambert Carbine (recon) vs. Baur H-AR (assault)
The lambert is a gun to make you be able to use the kit as not a sniper. More specifically, when you are assaulting the titan, need the RDX for the consoles, but have no use for a sniper rifle.
It has a fast rate of fire and does great in medium range situations. However, it is not an assault rifle and doesn't do long range or have much stopping power.
The Baur is the opposite, big hits, high recoil, small mag.
The recon kit gets alot better when you get the unlocks. The sniper side of the tree is pretty damn potent, especially.
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11-21-2006, 03:50 PM #3
Re: Lambert Carbine (recon) vs. Baur H-AR (assault)
Originally Posted by BHack
ok.. so roughly Lambert == MP7 and Baur == G3?
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11-21-2006, 03:54 PM #4
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Re: Lambert Carbine (recon) vs. Baur H-AR (assault)
yea, roughly.
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11-21-2006, 03:57 PM #5
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Re: Lambert Carbine (recon) vs. Baur H-AR (assault)
The Lambert is for medium-low range and is significantly weaker compared to the Baur. The Lambert really shines on full auto at close range, where the Baur is the polar opposite since it is extremely good at longer ranges on single shot.
If you perfer single shot at medium range then the Baur may be better to use. The Lambert on single shot has bad deviationand takes about 4-6 shots. But the Lambert can use the scope stabilizer (3rd unlock in the left tree) which makes it's deviation a lot less for a couple seconds when scoped.
Also consider the side equipment you must carry as well. Assult you can heal/revive, and you have rockets for killing people hiding behind objects and snipers (or the shotgun which isn't that good). But as Recon you have RDX which means you can actually take out tanks and APCs (and mechs, but it is sometimes harder).
It's really a toss up between your preference on long or close range fighting
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11-21-2006, 04:02 PM #6
Re: Lambert Carbine (recon) vs. Baur H-AR (assault)
ok... guess i've gotta get a few more rounds under my belt before I decide which way to go first... I've only played 3 rounds so far (all conquest), so it's hard to tell which way might be best.
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11-21-2006, 04:05 PM #7
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Re: Lambert Carbine (recon) vs. Baur H-AR (assault)
The new patch addresses the deviation issue with the Baur so from a raw numbers standpoint, that looks like the way to go.
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Re: Lambert Carbine (recon) vs. Baur H-AR (assault)
How does the lambert compare to the Engineer SMG?
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11-21-2006, 04:09 PM #9
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Re: Lambert Carbine (recon) vs. Baur H-AR (assault)
It's better. Less sub machine ish, more assault rifle ish. Originally Posted by LuckyStrike
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11-21-2006, 04:19 PM #10
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Re: Lambert Carbine (recon) vs. Baur H-AR (assault)
I suggest testing both weapons beforehand by picking up another soldier’s kit, since both the SCAR 11 and Krylov FA-37 are decent enough weapons to delay making a final choice without being overpowered on the battlefield. No matter what someone else may like or dislike about a particular model, it boils down to personal preference and playing style. For example, I did a lot of research about the differences between the Baur H-AR and Voss L- AR and was convinced the former would be my best choice. However, after actually using the Baur, I found the Voss fit my style of play much more.
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Re: Lambert Carbine (recon) vs. Baur H-AR (assault)
The assault rockets are great - once you learn how to zoom in and adjust the explode distance to take out enemies behind cover. I win just about every time someone is behind cover firing at me and I have my rockets out.
One thing that sucks is if you are strafing, your rocket fire will 'lag' behind you and not fire where your crosshair was when you fired it.
And it really does come down to play preference and the side you are playing on. If I'm on the EU side, I prefer the Baur. But if I'm PAC, I'll use the Krylov gun because it has hardly any recoil and I can take people down in single shot much faster than with the Baur (you can practically fire it at the speed of automatic and stay accurate). With the Krylov (PAC assault) I have 207 kills with 3.29 to 1 K/D ratio while with the Baur I have 160 kills with 1.63 K/D ratio, and with the Scar I have a lousy 81 kills with 1.03 K/D. My ability to kill with the default PAC gun is twice that of the Baur, so an unlock isn't always the best choice.
However, my most deadly weapon is the Shuko LMG with 476 kills at 7.68 K/D ratio. You don't want to be in my crosshair when I have that gun
In fact, if you look up my weapon K/D, I do much better on the PAC side than the EU side, many times twice as good as the EU counterpart. Off balanced or just coincidence to my style of play?
You should search for a post in this forum for a mod. Someone found a mod that lets you try out all the unlocks in a single player game. I used this to decide I wanted to work up the Engineer tree to unlock the Pilum.Telorn
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11-21-2006, 04:52 PM #12
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Re: Lambert Carbine (recon) vs. Baur H-AR (assault)
There is an unlocks for single player mod if you'd like to try both guns out against bots:
http://www.totalbf2142.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8598
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11-21-2006, 08:47 PM #13
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Re: Lambert Carbine (recon) vs. Baur H-AR (assault)
Thing about the Lambert is it's really inaccurate in full auto or single shot. But it doesn't have a lot of recoil and has a really high rate of fire. You can open up on someone at close range and tear them apart, but at long ranges it's pretty useless.
The Baur is more useful at a larger variety of ranges. The Voss is somewhere in between.
Yes, the rockets are really awsome. One of the better unlocks.
You can adjust to that without too much difficulty. It's like fighting in a tank. Originally Posted by Telorn
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11-21-2006, 09:24 PM #14
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Re: Lambert Carbine (recon) vs. Baur H-AR (assault)
I went up the Lambert Carbine side of the recon tree first.It's not a very good weapon for long range combat because you just miss to much. While being up close you can pretty much outgun anyone with the amount of bullets you put out. The RDX (c4) is awesome to kill armor with.The only bad thing about it is trying to stick it on moving armor. Even if the mech or hovertank is moving slowly you're more than likely to be "ran over" because you stubbed your toe against it.
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11-21-2006, 10:34 PM #15
Re: Lambert Carbine (recon) vs. Baur H-AR (assault)
Honestly, it really depends if you need to drop guys hard (Baur) or you need to drop a load of guys (Lambert).
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