Zoraster

yeah. i only have the recon stuff (which was done pre-TG) and the rest i only have unlocked up to the third tier. I have an unlock to spend, and i'm going to get to the third tier of the other assault branch with it (so i can use the voss with unlock). I think after that I'll move on to permanently unlock the pilum and motion mines since field upgrades on armor maps come less frequently, and being engineer without those two is hard for me.

And I hope we're not misunderstanding each other. I don't think anyone is advocating going for the extra grenade unlock. we're saying get all the sprints. I wouldn't wait for the field upgrade to do so. you get to use the extra sprint with ALL kits, so unless you play 100% with one kit, it's probably the unlock you'll use the most.

chaf3d

lol, i'm just thinking back, I only have the Lambert, Baur, and the Ganz left Unlocked.. i think...

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M24

Baur vs Voss. The SCAR is, for me, seems more effective than the Krylov, now I have checked - I presumed the default ARs were the same.

Generally, I'd rather have fewer rounds that do more damage as I often use the ARs on semi-auto. I do not excell at 'Quake' point-blank shootouts and knife-fights and would rather find a superior position (which kinda ties wit advice re: Sprint) - i've found if I start shooting 1st I win 90% of the time. I'm really interested in a medium-distance weapon (like an iron-sights G3 or a M16 with a scope).

Why are rockets so effective? I tend to dislike anything that advertises my position - anyone that has fired anything rocket-y/bazooka-y at me has generally missed totally (then died - unless I am in a vehicle in which case I die fast...). I have an inferiority complex with vehicles (cos I can't hurt them) and tend to simply report their position and fall back.

Also, why are people so obsessed with knives (being a n00b and esp a sniper I am on the receiving end of more than a few dogtag collectors but I couldnt count the number of times people come charging over to receive a faceful of bullets - I mean, fair go when I'm crouching over a scope - but can't they tell when I'm holding an AR?)

Revark

1. SOME people are stuck on knives, more often you will just die trying to use a knife. Nice thread about this.

2. The way you describe your Assault, I think the Baur would be better suited for you. Better range (mini sniper), less bullets per clip, more fire power. They both have a scope, sorta like the G3.

3. Rockets rule once you get used to them. Yes they will advertise your position, that is why you make the rockets count. Video here for help.
http://www.tacticalgamer.com/battlef...deo#post625004

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M24

Thanks Revark.

Ok, I now have the 1st sprint and grenades.

Now I am tossing up where to go next:

Baur/Rockets OR
Lambert/Stealth

Considering I already have the full sniper tree I thought it might be worthwhile expanding the Recon range to full extent - how does Lambert match up to Baur as a medium-range option?

It's just that I already have RDX (so I'm one up the tree already), and the first two Baur unlocks seem a little worthless (to me, a n00b) compared to NetBat (considering my interest in 'spotting' for others) and the Stealth.

Revark

I am partial to the Lambert. I would work your way up the assault tree, but NOT get the weapon unlock (use field upgrades to see what you like).

Lambert is a decent all around weapon. Not as damaging as the Baur, but it makes the recon kit playable (for me). I would suggest NOT unlocking any weapons until you play with them a bit through field upgrades.

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jonan_

If you go for the Baur/Rockets you will probably unlock stuff faster because you will be playing assault where you get points for revives, heals and you also end up getting tons of revive pins worth 10 pts each. You will be more of an asset to your team as an assault too.

Revark

Yea, Assault is probably the best point maker kit. On that note, they need to up the rate of resupply/repair points.

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jonan_

I agree with the repair point rate needs to increase but the resupply seems to already be the fastest. Repair points take way too long to get.

TheSaboteur

If you are a big G3 fan then you will probably love the Baur. Try it with field unlocks first because you may not like the additional recoil. It is best used in single shot mode until you get it down.

That being said, I would agree with everyone here that the sprint unlocks are the most important unlocks you can get.

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Revark

Off topic: Yea resupply is much much better then repair.

On topic: Be sure to grab kits from people on the ground too. It is a good way to test weapons before the field upgrades come.

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BZ55

Yeah, agreed. Once your aim is solid, the Baur is ticket, IMHO. People get turned off by it b/c in auto, its accuracy is horrible and it goes through a clip depressingly fast. What people don't try is to always have it on semi-auto. You can take down guys in two bullets as your accuracy improves, not to mention that single shots have outrageous accuracy and range. If you find that interview with that top player WoKeN, he talks all about it--that's how I got first turned onto it. It's really tough to go back to the other weapons once you're used to operating with the Baur.

If I could go back, I'd definitely not have burned the two unlocks for the Voss (one for the smoke grenade, one for the Voss).

Andy

Urit

In my opinion, it's best to go to 3 player unlocks (last sprint upgrade), can go 5 if you want. The extra nade helps for all classes and the sidearm upgrade helps engineers mow even better. I still run out of ammo for my SMG though.

Secondly, yeah, don't unlock the weapons right away. Zeller SOUNDS good, but the default rifles are so much better in so many ways it's not funny. I'm currently set up like this:

2/4 Recon (all the way up the right side, 2 unlocks on left. I have no use for scope stabilizer or Zeller. Zeller's scope is tiny, it has that annoying red tinge, and only 3 shots per magazine. Lambert is a buzzsaw, and IT-33 lets me nuke walkers with near-impunity.)

4/2 Assault (No use for smoke nades and I absolute hate the Voss. It feels like a toy gun. I actually prefer the SCAR over the other 3 assault rifles. Rockets and defib are honestly the best thing ever. Try 3 distinguished combat efficiency pins, and over 60 teamwork score on Camp Gibraltar. That's the sort of stuff you can do with Assault kit.)

3/4 Support (I don't like the Ganz much, takes too long to stabilize for my taste. Shotgun and all the other support toys are amazing though.)

3/3 Engineer (Pilum is stupidly inaccurate at any range over 20 meters. I'd rather have them put up shields (which subsequently drop) and hit them directly in the knee/rear/whatever than aiming perfectly and watching my round plow into the dirt 40 meters to the side. SAAW is too situational to be a proper unlock. Other toys rock insanely though.)

Only have SLSB in the lead unlocks. I'm not that good of a lead, though I'll probably be leading more once I get my new headset. Medusa 5.1 surround headphones, woohoo!

Sir_Brass

I generally agree with you BZ, except that on occassion the Voss has come in extremely handy in meat-grinder maps (Cerebere Landing for PAC and Camp Gibraltar for both sides), where I am in close engagements more often and sometimes only have enough time to see enemy, confirm enemy is not friend, and point the crosshairs in the enemy's general direction before he gets off his shots. The Voss and Krylov have excellent ROF and I love using them more as I'm more apt to hose the guy immediatly than I am with the Baur.

For every other map, I find the Baur to be the most effective. I was having fun picking off pedestrian and a few other TGers today in Belegrade (sp?) while on top of the monorail track and firing semi-auto with the baur. Even when they spotted me, I killed them more than they killed me. It was very fun .

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Zoraster

no way! the zeller is a much better pick for sniping. if you're using more than 3 shots, you're doing something wrong in the first place. Also, the zeller has less drop over distance.