Acreo Aeneas

Eh. I usually don't survive for long after blowing away enemy UCB assets. As I'm about to escape, I either run into a mine or a tank blows a gaping hole in my chest. :/

So I don't worry about "stealing" enemy UCB vehicles to escape. I usually don't

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Lusitano Louco

It makes a lot of sense to bring this up. I am new here and have been following the letter of the rules and getting killed quite a bit in the process of running away on foot so I don't get kicked from the server.

Considering that I was kicked for destroying a buggy that got stuck in a structure after I tried running people over it does seem that some admins take people's words for what is happening and players would be wise to be careful where and how they thread. The above incident was reported as a jihad jeep, when in fact I regularly rig vehicles with explosives so they won't fall into enemy hands if I can help it. That is fair game.

I'm sure that a few silent readers also learned something new, we weren't the only ones. Now I know that it is ok to hop on a getaway buggy if the one you drove in was destroyed. Thanks for asking.

Reaperassault

RDX is not allowed on to buggies for any purpose at all, someone correct me if am am misinformed but I don't believe I am.

No one in the right mind is going to put live explosives on the vehicle they are driving in a real life situation.

I'll also make another point here for everyone just as a reminder for all: Please use vehicles at intended, buggies are for transportation, gunships as fighters etc.

Please keep in mind that ramming buggies into other buggies usually results in both buggies exploding and killing both occupants, which is a suicide tactic (in my non admin opinion) and not allowed on the TG server.

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daithi1

Wow, this thread is unbelievably old. I never even met Prop. But I'll never forget Lorian and the E17th... *drifts into the past*

In theory you may not have broken any rules.

However firstly driving a buggy with RDX strapped to the from is always highly suspicious, although I think this is the first time I've seen an excusable answer.

Secondly driving a buggy when the only intent to run people over is really the misuse of that vehicle. Although EA approves if it doesn't mean we have to. I will fall back on the whole realism here. Do armies drive around in buggies with the express intent of getting road kills?

I am not an admin and will not judge how harsh the decision to kick was but admins can only really go on reports of people on the server usually who are speaking on TS. The only real way to make sure this never happens again is to get into the habit of getting on TS before you start playing that way you shouldn't be wrongly judged.

I mean this is in the best possible way. Oh and welcome to TG hope you like it here.

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Foxtrot6

Lusitano,
Don't worry about it, bro. I think we all [or will] get kicked at some point because the admins have to make a judgment call. Pay attention to Daith's and Reaper's advice get on TS. I know I sometimes "hop" when Reaper shoots at me because my volume is so high it scares the hell out of me but many get to know eachother and say "i'm sure he didn't bunny hop." I know there has been conversations in TS and squad where someone has no way did [name] intend to bunny hop. Same with you, I have played in your squad twice and I know you pay attention to detail - so you got kicked - no one is keeping a record but they do see your posts...

Form up and send me an invite bro.

Lorax74

Placing RDX on a vehicle, while suspicious, is not prohibited on our server.

Here are a few examples of valid ways to use RDX in combination with vehicles:

• Security: It is not done much anymore, but in the past some folks used to RDX their vehicles as a safety measure to ensure that the vehicle, if abandoned for any reason, did not fall into enemy hands. If the vehicle took so much damage that it could not be repaired quickly, the pilot would eject, run to safety, and blow the RDX to finish the vehicle off before a hostile engineer could repair it. You would typically see this most often on walkers.
• Booby Trap: Another valid tactic is to strap RDX to a vehicle and place it in a prime location to get "stolen". Once stolen you blow the RDX.

While neither of these is overly practical these days, both are legitimate uses. But, and this needs to be clearly understood by anyone who decides to strap RDX on a vehicle for any purpose, if you take a high value vehicle and use it as bait in a booby trap, you are hurting your team more than the other and it will be at the admin's discretion as to decide whether you are working with or against your team and act accordingly.

Also, reread Lusitano's post:

He is not questioning the kick, he is saying that some players misinterpreted his intent and falsely reported him for Jihad Jeeping. The moral here: unless you see someone actually break the rules, don't assume they will and report them prematurely. Lusitano hopped on TeamSpeak minutes after the kick, found the admin that kicked him (me) and discussed the situation.

And for the record, using the FAV as a battering ram will garner a kick. Our interpretation of it's intended purpose is for transportation, not racking up road kills.

And let me be clear once more when I say this: If you take a vehicle with the sole intention of using it as a booby trap, you better make sure your team does not need that vehicle. For instance, booby trapping the APC or Walker on a map like Berlin is wasteful and will probably cause your team irreparable harm. And if you are in doubt of the legality of something, don't do it - ask questions later.

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Jakaleel

A side note on buggies: while enemy buggies captured after their occupants have no need of them (eliminated), buggies acquired from the UNCAP should be allowed to respawn back in the UNCAP.

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Lusitano Louco

That is one of the main reasons I started rigging buggies with RDX. I used to play Gibraltar quite a bit and always found it annoying that people would take the jeep and "give" it to the enemy or just abandon it on the other side of the map. Given the chance I always blow up the jeep when I am done so it respawns at the UCB. That is better than having people stranded when we're trying to make some headway.

Just for the record, although I am pretty skilled at squishies, which is what I call running someone over, it is a measure of last resort or a side bonus, if you will. If you're tearing down the road are you going to swerve to miss an enemy?

If I recall correctly, the case in question had a whole squad spawning on their leader as they walked up to the pond flag and I was trying to make it to the flag as well through the same ramp. There was no way that I was going to slow down and honk for them to get out of the way or jump out of that buggy unless I had to so...options were pretty much limited and all pointed in the same direction. Even if I stopped and used the turret gun with 4 or 5 guys surrounding the jeep I wouldn't even kill one of them before they blew me up. I misjudged and hung the jeep on some steps or a rock or something. As we all know there is a bit of a delay between putting a buggy in reverse and it actually responding after hitting something, so I hopped out and blew it when I thought I was at a safe distance.

That's all folks. But back on topic, it really is good to know that we can use a jeep as a getaway. Having said that, the other day a guy came into the UCB, left his smoking jeep about to explode and just hoped into ours and took off. That should not be allowed.

Lorax74

If you are using the FAV to get from PointA to PointB and someone is in your path, by all means run them over if you can. But, if you take the FAV with the intention of using it as a battering ram, that's a no no. Also, if you run people over in the road while you're going from one place to another and you miss someone, don't turn around to attempt to run them over again. That can and will be interpreted as misuse of the FAV and may result in a kick.


This is not allowed and should be reported.

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jollermc

If I'm driving an FAV, and I see an enemy running across the road ahead of me, can I turn slightly towards him with the intent of killing him, then continue on my way, or should I just drive right past?

See, in real life you might run an enemy over if your vehicle seems like it could take it. I don't know how reinforced the FAVs are supposed to be.

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rage4order

Grill em!

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Jakaleel

On a post shockwave game, we played line-them-up and run-them-over. I don't think the FAV suffered any damage. Just a line of packs. Of course it was a password server at the time and did not count.

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Uranium - 235

What if I put RDX on an FAV, parked it next to an asset, and then jumped out and blew it up while fleeing?

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jazy2

This may have been me! But it wasn't just a change of vehicles. I was there to destroy assets. I had taken damage in my own FAV on the way to the UCB and also as I entered the UCB. I hit that UCB 4 or 5 times in a row in that round and your name rings a bell, you got me once or twice!

I don't believe I misused the vehicles or broke any server rules....think about it.

I came in my own FAV.
It was about to explode.
I did destroy assets.
I did escape in your team's FAV but lets face it, I wouldn't have gotten very far in mine!
I did return the FAV, I was in it after getting more RDX

It can be anoying when someone keeps hitting the UCB like that though...you were commanding right?

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Augustus Gloop

Oh man, sounds good to me! Just don't jihad that asset or we'd get you for suicide tactics.

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