fair game buggy?...

=MAXx= · 02-04-2007, 02:27 AM

Its been quite a while that we (as felow players and teamates) have accepted that stealing a buggy from the enemy's UCB is considered "fair game" as long as the player is fleeing away from the crime scene.

I say we just make an officieal rule now. The "fair game buggy" rule I guess, its only been runing officially since admins found themselves in the same position, but... didnt excatly want to report themselves.

I also think there should be limitations to this, the same kid steeling our buggy 4 times in one round and running some guyss over, I think thats unaceptable, but to all there must be limitations I guess.

Post what you think and let us hear your response

PS. A bit ago there was a thread talking about making the start timer longer..wtf hapened, never did i hear from it agaon. w/e I guess, best of wishes and see you on the battlefield guys. HAVE A GOOD ONE!!

'ablindeman' out!

PPS. Hey vendi, how about those tactics we worked on today

Thizzare · 02-04-2007, 02:48 AM

I think it sounds good but to many rules can take away frome the crazyness of a good fight if you know what i mean.

Bommando · 02-04-2007, 02:56 AM

I am struggling to make sense of your post, since it seems to encompass rule changes, start times, running people over and a shout-out to Vendi in no particular order.

How about we just read the rules and use common sense for all other occasions. Why people feel the need to discuss the rules in the forums ad-infinitum before, during and after the fact is beyond me.

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Originally Posted by =MAXx=

its only been runing officially since admins found themselves in the same position, but... didnt excatly want to report themselves.

I'd like you to clarify what you mean by this. What rule did we suddenly make up and what exactly didn't we want to report ourselves for?

=MAXx= · 02-04-2007, 03:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Bommando

I am struggling to make sense of your post, since it seems to encompass rule changes, start times, running people over and a shout-out to Vendi in no particular order.

How about we just read the rules and use common sense for all other occasions. Why people feel the need to discuss the rules in the forums ad-infinitum before, during and after the fact is beyond me.

I'd like you to clarify what you mean by this. What rule did we suddenly make up and what exactly didn't we want to report ourselves for?

Ok, in the server rules, it clearly states that no vehicles may be stolen from an enemy UCB. True? I belive so. In recent game play, we have seen an enemy recon soldier waltz into your UCB in a buggy, destroy an asset, but to only turn around and see his transportation absolutely destroyed. But he decides in an action to flee, he must steel the enemy buggy when he is at the enemy UCB, now correct me if i am wrong, wouldnt that be vehicle stealing from the enemy UCB? I do belive so. But some how i have heard many times over teamspeak felow players report such an infraction, but the admins on duty (not going to mention names) have said that steeling a buggy to flee is legal. Almost like an unoficial bend in the rules that passes us all by and say hello.

Now what im trying to say in this thread, is that this rule should be curved only slightly, to alow buggy stealing to flee from the enemy UCB. Now what i was saying about the admins is that if and a squad leader who aperently is an admin, has formed a recon squad and decides to destroy assets; he goes to UCB; asset goes boom; turns around; "where the f_ck is the buggy guyss?"; squad leader needs to get a vehicle to get out; steels enemy buggy, realizes that hes brocken a rule, but cant actually report himself....i doubt an admin, can report himslef (or can he?...)
Im just trying to say that this rule of no vehicle steeling at an enemy uncap needs to be curved only slightly. get me?

IE. bomando, its 3:30 in the morning hear on the eastern united state, i actually took time to spell check this man, cut me some slack and get on TS when your on the sight.. "one word can be worth a million ideas"-my father

Bommando · 02-04-2007, 03:43 AM

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Originally Posted by =MAXx=

Ok, in the server rules, it clearly states that no vehicles may be stolen from an enemy UCB. True? I belive so.

The rules state that you may only enter the UCB with the intent to destroy assets. Read them carefully, they are not ambiguous. They state that you may not enter with the specific intent to steal vehicles. Since the BF2 days, it has always been acceptable to flee in a buggy.

Quote:

Originally Posted by =MAXx=

In recent game play, we have seen an enemy recon soldier waltz into your UCB in a buggy, destroy an asset, but to only turn around and see his transportation absolutely destroyed. But he decides in an action to flee, he must steel the enemy buggy when he is at the enemy UCB, now correct me if i am wrong, wouldnt that be vehicle stealing from the enemy UCB? I do belive so. But some how i have heard many times over teamspeak felow players report such an infraction, but the admins on duty (not going to mention names) have said that steeling a buggy to flee is legal. Almost like an unoficial bend in the rules that passes us all by and say hello.

Now what im trying to say in this thread, is that this rule should be curved only slightly, to alow buggy stealing to flee from the enemy UCB. Now what i was saying about the admins is that if and a squad leader who aperently is an admin, has formed a recon squad and decides to destroy assets; he goes to UCB; asset goes boom; turns around; "where the f_ck is the buggy guyss?"; squad leader needs to get a vehicle to get out; steels enemy buggy, realizes that hes brocken a rule, but cant actually report himself....i doubt an admin, can report himslef (or can he?...)
Im just trying to say that this rule of no vehicle steeling at an enemy uncap needs to be curved only slightly. get me?

See above, but if you have a problem with an admin, PM Tempus and he will deal with it. Questioning admin decisions and authority in the public forum undermines our hard work and is unacceptable. You are basically insinuating that the admin(s) in question intentionally bent the rules to work in their favour. This doesn't sit well with me, since they are all hand-picked to perform a job to make YOUR experience on the server a better one.

If you don't like the way our server is run, there are many others.

=MAXx= · 02-04-2007, 03:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bommando

The rules state that you may only enter the UCB with the intent to destroy assets. Read them carefully, they are not ambiguous. They state that you may not enter with the specific intent to steal vehicles. Since the BF2 days, it has always been acceptable to flee in a buggy.

See above, but if you have a problem with an admin, PM Tempus and he will deal with it. Questioning admin decisions and authority in the public forum undermines our hard work and is unacceptable. You are basically insinuating that the admin(s) in question intentionally bent the rules to work in their favour. This doesn't sit well with me, since they are all hand-picked to perform a job to make YOUR experience on the server a better one.

If you don't like the way our server is run, there are many others.

DAMN! talk about smacking the spanish out of me. In no way am i trying to undermind the admins, i admire the work you men do (and women cuz peguineer does exist) what im trying to say is that rules say "no UCB vehicle steeling" thats a generalization when there is an exception, i think it should go under the lines of "no UCB armour steeling" that sounds alot more logical, understand where im coming from? again in no way would i say that the admins arent doing there work (only when there AFK) but some people arnet understanding some of the stuff that we say; "you cant take a vehicle from there UCB but a buggy will do"- doesnt that sound just a little dumb? Come on bomando, i now that sometimes you get frustrated with...everybody (at times) but dont you think your taking this just a bit to far? members know me around here and they know that i wouldnt disrespect anybody at all, but dude, your tone of voice when typing that last post...sounded a little threatning..

Bommando · 02-04-2007, 04:21 AM

Nobody is threatening anyone.

People have coped with our rules for the last 18 months just fine. We have made very few changes to them since BF2 was released. We don't make a rule for every single possible scenario for a reason, because we trust our admins to make the decision that suits the occurrence. You should too.

PM Tempus if you want the rules amended. I don't see any reason to do so.

**Zoraster** · 02-04-2007, 10:17 PM

yeah. the UCB rule is a good one. if you really want to make sure you have a fast getaway, bring your own buggy into the UCB.

Revark · 02-05-2007, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Zoraster

yeah. the UCB rule is a good one. if you really want to make sure you have a fast getaway, bring your own buggy into the UCB.

Max said they brought their own buggy, but it was blown up. So they took a UCB buggy.

I did not know about the buggy rule. I am glad though, because I was stuck running away (on foot) from a UCB the other day when I could of taken a buggy.

**Zoraster** · 02-05-2007, 10:21 AM

no, you can't take a buggy, rev. that's what max is proposing.

i think the rule is pretty good the way it is now.

Revark · 02-05-2007, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Zoraster

no, you can't take a buggy, rev. that's what max is proposing.

i think the rule is pretty good the way it is now.

Bommando stated that buggy for escape is ok. See his post above. Apparently it has been like that since BF2.

I am sure if you use it offensively you will get warn/kick/ban though.

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Originally Posted by Bommando

Since the BF2 days, it has always been acceptable to flee in a buggy.

**Zoraster** · 02-05-2007, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Revark

Bommando stated that buggy for escape is ok. See his post above. Apparently it has been like that since BF2.

I am sure if you use it offensively you will get warn/kick/ban though.

so he did. my bad! that's awfully interesting.

Lorian · 02-05-2007, 02:31 PM

Rules only take you so far, it's the judgment from an admin that makes the final result. If an admin thinks it's ok to take a buggy from the enemy's UCB as a means of escape, then it is fine, though technically against the rules.

Keep up the good work.

Prophaniti · 02-05-2007, 03:36 PM

Why was this even brought up? This topic was not the result of someone being kicked/banned from the server, no admins were involved in this incident, and to be honest, the rule is not intended to shoot the asset-destruction crew in the foot by punishing them for being gutsy...it is intended for fairness of gameplay as a whole.

Spirit of the rules as they are (In lingo we'll all understand):

"Don't jack their ride unless you were in their house specifically to perform an act of arson."

Fairly self-explanatory...if you ain't there to blow stuff up, you should never have an opportunity to mentally debate the legality of whether or not to steal a vehicle.
If you DO steal one, it should be to get the flock out of the area...not to turn your newly-acquired guns on the rest of the vehicles sitting there and whack respawning enemies like a brainless pubbie (which is exactly the reason the rule is there in the first place).

If we really wanted to split hairs (I don't want to, but I have plenty of 'em left in my head, so why not), we could address the scenario of "But all the FAVs are gone...do I have to wait for them to respawn, or can I grab the nearest vehicle?"
Not sure what the admins would say about this, but having been there and done that without ever getting a warning from 'em, I take the following approach: "Whether you flee in an FAV or a Walker, getting OUT is the only acceptable action to be taken with 'em."

Personal experience says that by the time you've planted the RDX, you may or may not have time to actually hit the button because they're hunting you down like the dog you are. For some reason, CO's don't appreciate you blowing up their toys.

Bommando · 02-05-2007, 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prophaniti

Why was this even brought up? This topic was not the result of someone being kicked/banned from the server, no admins were involved in this incident, and to be honest, the rule is not intended to shoot the asset-destruction crew in the foot by punishing them for being gutsy...it is intended for fairness of gameplay as a whole.

Spirit of the rules as they are (In lingo we'll all understand):

"Don't jack their ride unless you were in their house specifically to perform an act of arson."

Fairly self-explanatory...if you ain't there to blow stuff up, you should never have an opportunity to mentally debate the legality of whether or not to steal a vehicle.
If you DO steal one, it should be to get the flock out of the area...not to turn your newly-acquired guns on the rest of the vehicles sitting there and whack respawning enemies like a brainless pubbie (which is exactly the reason the rule is there in the first place).

If we really wanted to split hairs (I don't want to, but I have plenty of 'em left in my head, so why not), we could address the scenario of "But all the FAVs are gone...do I have to wait for them to respawn, or can I grab the nearest vehicle?"
Not sure what the admins would say about this, but having been there and done that without ever getting a warning from 'em, I take the following approach: "Whether you flee in an FAV or a Walker, getting OUT is the only acceptable action to be taken with 'em."

Personal experience says that by the time you've planted the RDX, you may or may not have time to actually hit the button because they're hunting you down like the dog you are. For some reason, CO's don't appreciate you blowing up their toys.

Listen to this man. He possesses this fabled 'common sense' we prize so highly.

02-04-2007, 02:27 AM	#1 (permalink)
=MAXx= Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: somewhere in between heaven and hell. Miami Posts: 405	fair game buggy?... Its been quite a while that we (as felow players and teamates) have accepted that stealing a buggy from the enemy's UCB is considered "fair game" as long as the player is fleeing away from the crime scene. I say we just make an officieal rule now. The "fair game buggy" rule I guess, its only been runing officially since admins found themselves in the same position, but... didnt excatly want to report themselves. I also think there should be limitations to this, the same kid steeling our buggy 4 times in one round and running some guyss over, I think thats unaceptable, but to all there must be limitations I guess. Post what you think and let us hear your response PS. A bit ago there was a thread talking about making the start timer longer..wtf hapened, never did i hear from it agaon. w/e I guess, best of wishes and see you on the battlefield guys. HAVE A GOOD ONE!! 'ablindeman' out! PPS. Hey vendi, how about those tactics we worked on today __________________ After a hard long day on the battlefield, you just wanna play some ball but some idiot wont let you because he has an explosive bag of pitchers' powder....

02-04-2007, 02:48 AM	#2 (permalink)
Thizzare Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 12	Re: fair game buggy?... I think it sounds good but to many rules can take away frome the crazyness of a good fight if you know what i mean.

02-04-2007, 04:21 AM	#7 (permalink)
Bommando Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Sydney, Australia Age: 29 Posts: 4,294	Re: fair game buggy?... Nobody is threatening anyone. People have coped with our rules for the last 18 months just fine. We have made very few changes to them since BF2 was released. We don't make a rule for every single possible scenario for a reason, because we trust our admins to make the decision that suits the occurrence. You should too. PM Tempus if you want the rules amended. I don't see any reason to do so.

02-04-2007, 10:17 PM	#8 (permalink)
Zoraster Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Los Angeles Age: 23 Posts: 1,325	Re: fair game buggy?... yeah. the UCB rule is a good one. if you really want to make sure you have a fast getaway, bring your own buggy into the UCB. __________________ \|TG\| Zoraster \| Tactical Soccer Managing

02-05-2007, 10:21 AM	#10 (permalink)
Zoraster Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Los Angeles Age: 23 Posts: 1,325	Re: fair game buggy?... no, you can't take a buggy, rev. that's what max is proposing. i think the rule is pretty good the way it is now. __________________ \|TG\| Zoraster \| Tactical Soccer Managing

02-05-2007, 02:31 PM	#13 (permalink)
Lorian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: United Kingdom Age: 18 Posts: 2,036	Re: fair game buggy?... Rules only take you so far, it's the judgment from an admin that makes the final result. If an admin thinks it's ok to take a buggy from the enemy's UCB as a means of escape, then it is fine, though technically against the rules. Keep up the good work. __________________ \|TG-E17th\|Lorian Member since 18th February 2006 Supporting member since 4th August 2006 PGP public key Processor: Intel Core 2 Duo E6420 Memory: 2x 1GB Corsair XMS2 DDR2-800 RAM Video Card: XFX NVIDIA GeForce 6800 XT 256MB Monitor: 17" Dell CRT and 15" generic LCD Sound Card: Creative X-Fi Xtrememusic and Creative Sound Blaster Live! (no Linux X-Fi drivers yet)

02-05-2007, 03:36 PM	#14 (permalink)
Prophaniti Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Clarksville, TN Age: 30 Posts: 461	Re: fair game buggy?... Why was this even brought up? This topic was not the result of someone being kicked/banned from the server, no admins were involved in this incident, and to be honest, the rule is not intended to shoot the asset-destruction crew in the foot by punishing them for being gutsy...it is intended for fairness of gameplay as a whole. Spirit of the rules as they are (In lingo we'll all understand): "Don't jack their ride unless you were in their house specifically to perform an act of arson." Fairly self-explanatory...if you ain't there to blow stuff up, you should never have an opportunity to mentally debate the legality of whether or not to steal a vehicle. If you DO steal one, it should be to get the flock out of the area...not to turn your newly-acquired guns on the rest of the vehicles sitting there and whack respawning enemies like a brainless pubbie (which is exactly the reason the rule is there in the first place). If we really wanted to split hairs (I don't want to, but I have plenty of 'em left in my head, so why not), we could address the scenario of "But all the FAVs are gone...do I have to wait for them to respawn, or can I grab the nearest vehicle?" Not sure what the admins would say about this, but having been there and done that without ever getting a warning from 'em, I take the following approach: "Whether you flee in an FAV or a Walker, getting OUT is the only acceptable action to be taken with 'em." Personal experience says that by the time you've planted the RDX, you may or may not have time to actually hit the button because they're hunting you down like the dog you are. For some reason, CO's don't appreciate you blowing up their toys. __________________ \|TG-9th\| Prophaniti Admins are Chick Magnets Blood and Honor, The Journal of a 9th MID Soldier Chapter 1: Cold Morning in Minsk Chapter 2: Parting With The Permafrost Chapter 3: Out Like A Light Yes, I have a Blog

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