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Old 08-24-2007, 01:06 PM   #16 (permalink)
 
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Re: For all the recon guys out there...

and on how to play with lambert and sniper he used single player so he made it look easy lol just telling.
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Old 08-24-2007, 01:09 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Zeller is good for two things:
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2) Clearing mines.
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This is a favorable past time of mine, shooting motion mines as engineers lay them down. It makes me laugh every time.

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Virigoth is right about that.

Since the Zeller scope is red, it limits sight on the maps of Tunis, Sidi, Suez and Camp Giblets since the maps contain warm colors that make visibility hard. ...
One of the graphics settings in 2142 effects the redness of the Zellar scope. If at max the scope is preaty clear.

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Old 08-24-2007, 01:14 PM   #18 (permalink)
 
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Re: For all the recon guys out there...

Oh and please dont watch that sniper video....If you play sniper like that on TG you'll just get killed.

Horrible points made in the video:

"Always stay scoped" - WRONG

It is essential you scope in as little as possible so you can remain aware of your surroundings.

"The Stabilizer is good" - WRONG

NEVER USE THE STABILIZER!!!! unless it is on a large vehicle map and you're using the Zeller. It is a huge waste of a critical slot.

"Reload on two bulles....always" - ummm WRONG

Don't relaod your rifle every time you have two rounds left in the clip, kills the advantage of the stock rifle.

"run around with your pistol" - WRONG

If you have any chance of winning a fight mid-close range...you need to hit a shot with the rifle first...(head shots work best )

Also there is no reason for him to be prone in that spot (at the start of the video), doesnt help his aim at those distances...just hurts his ability to move behind cover and escape. And that "low profile" crap he speaks of....notice how the enemy knew exactly where he was, didn't help him. Th guys he was playing were just horrible.
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Old 08-24-2007, 01:21 PM   #19 (permalink)
 
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Oh and please dont watch that sniper video....If you play sniper like that on TG you'll just get killed.

Horrible points made in the video:

"Always stay scoped" - WRONG

It is essential you scope in as little as possible so you can remain aware of your surroundings.

"The Stabilizer is good" - WRONG

NEVER USE THE STABILIZER!!!! unless it is on a large vehicle map and you're using the Zeller. It is a huge waste of a critical slot.

"Reload on two bulles....always" - ummm WRONG

Don't relaod your rifle every time you have two rounds left in the clip, kills the advantage of the stock rifle.

"run around with your pistol" - WRONG

If you have any chance of winning a fight mid-close range...you need to hit a shot with the rifle first...(head shots work best )

Also there is no reason for him to be prone in that spot (at the start of the video), doesnt help his aim at those distances...just hurts his ability to move behind cover and escape. And that "low profile" crap he speaks of....notice how the enemy knew exactly where he was, didn't help him. Th guys he was playing were just horrible.
He was playing vs bots which is why they all just ran straight at him making the headshots ridiculously easy. Even still a couple times it took him 2 - 3 shots to drop the bot and if that was a real assault person he would have been dead 10x over.
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Old 08-24-2007, 02:01 PM   #20 (permalink)

 
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Re: For all the recon guys out there...

Heh, kinda wanna watch these videos now. Sound pretty comical.
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Old 08-24-2007, 02:12 PM   #21 (permalink)
 
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Well, typically, when I play with BOOOOMMMM (my recon soldier), I tend to use the Zeller even though I feel that the standard rifles are better for my style of play (Short-mid range sniper: 10m to 100m). The reason is practice taking time with my shots, and the fact that i can zoom in so i have a bigger target for me to aim at (which is usually the head). My philosophy is to shoot to kill. If you know you can't kill the target (head shot, or body shot when health is low, or two body shots), then I don't fire unless I feel it would help my squad. If the target is moving, then I generally don't shoot because I know that at my skill level, I only have a 25% chance of hitting them... unless it would benefit my squad if I at least attempted.

Throughout my experience using the Zeller, I found that the ability to shoot at explosives is overrated, mainly because you can only take out one at a time (and usually, mines are scattered around in groups of 3 or more explosives) which will not only take your ammo, but will also take several seconds to take them all out, which leaves you open for attack. And to be honest, it's not very likely that you will come across a time in which you need the ability to shoot explosives. If it's an APM, you can crouch around it... or you can have your Caboose run into it to take it out (while your medics flock to salvage his rocke...errr, resuscitate him). Road mines can be avoided, unless they are at a chokepoint, which in that case, you have your engineer try to pick them up, or you have your Caboose run through it with a FAV. Point is, unless you are going solo, there really is no need for the Zeller's mine destruction capabilities.

In conclusion, for my style of playing, the standard rifles are better. But that does mean that everyone else plays in the same way as me, so, for others, the Zeller may be better.

PS.. Is there bullet-drop in this game?
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Old 08-24-2007, 02:31 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Re: For all the recon guys out there...

I cannot hit anything with the stock. After lowering my graphics settings for competitive play I am unable to use the Zellar due to the massive orangeness at lower settings. I always miss with the stock rifles.

And yes, there is bullet drop
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Old 08-24-2007, 03:01 PM   #23 (permalink)
 
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The bullet drop is simple, the first distance tick on all the rifles is 200m.
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Old 08-25-2007, 12:38 AM   #24 (permalink)
 
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Re: For all the recon guys out there...

Good point with the scope Guardian. I completely forgot about it.
One more point against the Zeller. Though, like I said, I think its sound is easy to hear and hard to pinpoint, its muzzle flash cannot say the same. Someone observing your Zeller kill from the right angle, even without their sound on, would find you easily by the long blue light that extends like a beacon from you to your victim.

More points on sound: I like to think of myself as a "counter-sniper" sometimes. Therefore, when I hear a Moretti, I think "EU soldier" and when I hear a Park 52, I think "PAC soldier". So the Zeller has a slight advantage here, as it can come from both sides just as easily. This also means that my favorite rifle can sometimes be the stock rifle of the opposite team, for the slight edge of a shot that sounds friendly.
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Old 08-29-2007, 11:43 PM   #25 (permalink)
 
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Re: For all the recon guys out there...

For me its all in the distances of my targets. if there far away then i like the zeller but if there close i use the park or Moretti, and never use a stableizer. Most worthless upgrade ever.
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I wouldn't say its completely useless. I tend to take it on huge vehicle maps, sure, I can adjust for the rifle sway, but that might make me lose my target/opportunity. Plus, when they start getting far enough away that getting a headshot is more difficult because of bullet drop, it really helps in lining up the rangefinder.
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Old 09-03-2007, 08:22 PM   #27 (permalink)
 
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The zeller's scope size,tint, ammo clip size pretty much discourages me from using it in comparison to the stock moretti and park rifles.
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Old 09-06-2007, 04:45 AM   #28 (permalink)
 
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Re: For all the recon guys out there...

I prefer the Zeller for damage, and scope zoom. Also, it's much easier to kill a person if you do not get a headshot on them, just pull out your pistol and it's usually a quick kill.
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Old 09-06-2007, 09:00 AM   #29 (permalink)
 
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I don't really have a preference currently. I usually use the Park/Moretti, but only because I'm more familiar with them. But the Zeller has netted me several easy kills on moving targets as I don't need to hit them in the head for it to be as effective, any slightly wounded target is pretty much killed regardless of where you hit 'em.
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The bullet drop is simple, the first distance tick on all the rifles is 200m.
Oh, thank you so much! I've always had problems with the ultra-long range shots. I knew there had to be bulletdrop, but i couldn't figure out how much there was. I'll have to try it some time (i've always been a short-range marksman because of bulletdrop).
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