Rob

Hasn't anyone realized that the baur scopes in basically twice as far as the Voss does, meaning regardless of accuracy, you'll actually be able to see the Voss user before he sees and shoots you? Also, from experience, it takes 6-7 shots to take out a heavily armoured soldier at long range with a Voss, and you can't usually get headshots because you cannot scope in far enough. The baur can kill a man with 4-5 body shots at long range, and because of the superior scope you can hit him with every shot

Gator762FMJ

Excellent point Rob. I forgot about that.

I had to go talkin' good about the Baur yesterday - last night I used it for a little bit and thought I couldn't hit anything. Thought I wasn't doing that great, but then when the round ended noticed I got the gold medal. Go figure.

Bagheera

Were you on single shot or full auto most of the round?

I was thinking about unlocking the Voss next, but as I can't stand to play on easy mode, I decided to unlock the Baur instead. Assault class is my last class to unlock, and I'm one unlock away from the Baur.

Gator762FMJ

Usually single shot. If I know I'll be at <10 m ranges I put it on full auto. When I was choosing my unlock, I was thinking of what range I usually engage in, and it's usually past 20 m or so. On full auto the 20 round mag goes fast, but on single shot it's plenty and does well.

On maps like Suez you won't regret it if you go assault, lots of long range shots there. (I usually go Engie there).

Revolusinov

Well this thread is saturated already and lots of good advice but I feel I throw mine in. Reason being I pretty much always rank #1 with the baurd meaning since I draw so much info on other weopon masters from this site I should throw mine in on what I know. I'll quickly discuss the range reasons and lag reasons behind my use of the baur.

Close Range:
People say the voss is better for close range. I could not disagree with this more. First off the two shotguns are BY FAR the best close range weopons. As a shotgun lover in other games and lover in the shotgun of this game I can tell you very few can take a great shotgun user in close range. I don't use the shotgun in this game because of the lack of defibulator and mass long open maps but I am aware of how powerful they are. This is the #1 reason based on my mid/close quarters playing style I use the baur. It is the ONLY rifle in the game that can stand up to a good shotgunner in close range. The lmg simple kills too slow. The other close range advantage is the armor piercing round. If you turn a corner don't strafe randomly, position yourself so the target behind the closest target and you are in a line. I've killed up to three people in under a second with only 5 bullets because they were lined up. Disadvantage if you fumble and miss or panic at close range, your probably going to die, you clip is way too small for screwups.

Close Medium Range: 20 yardish
Same as above except you need to learn one thing. Controlling the kick. Fire at full automatic but learn how to pull your mouse down and concentrate all your bullets on one dot. For this range and the above range aim just below the neck so the kick bouces back and forth between chest and head. This is your most dominate range. No one should be able to take you here. Lmgs and smgs can if you screw up a little but a perfect assault is unstopable at this range except by lucky shots.

Medium range. 40sh
Oddly enough, this is the weopons weakest range. Firing mode, auto and single are situational. More discusstion later

Medium long: Burst fire or single shot depends HEAVILY on one thing from my experience. Your ping. If you have 40 or less ping burst fire. You can usually down a full health person in one or two burst fires using the one in the chest one in the head burst fire combo by aiming midway on the chest. It is simply way faster to kill someone in burst fire than single shot. If you have > 40 ping that is a whole different story. This game seems to lack adequate ping compensation and sends bullets off in random directions with high ping. Try shooting at a wall in full auto. I can put all the bullets on top of each other on a single dot by dragging my mouse down at the same rate as the kick. On single plaer I can easily full auto targets at any distance cause of 0 ping. As ping goes up though it seams to throw where your bullets land on a delay and shoot above the target. (good note to those not familier, bullet holes are determined client side and bullet hits server side. Bullet hole are not where your bullet actually went and are aestetic). Because of this lag problem shoot in single burst at the neck. It will bouce up to the head and take them out in 2 shots. If your aim is weak go for the chest. You can single shot at a decent rate and still take them out unless they get the head shot. But you have the aiming advantage either way, just make sure you use the quickest method. Single shot on high ping and burst on low.

Long range:
Single shot unless your fighting bots. Aim for neckisk area, don't risk missing the headshot and doing 0 damage IMO. At this point I'll probably be using rockets anyways.



Other important tips and advantages:
Only use if you have great aim. Simple fact is Voss and the HMG can completly dominate you at medium range to medium-far range if you miss or hesitate. A matter of fact I will either try to get closer or further from voss users. Voss is waaaaayyy better at downing medium range targets and especially medium running targets.

Single shot is effective in close quarters but situational. Use only if the enemy can't strage and you know exactly where he will be and pop two quick headshots. This is great for conserving amo. Full auot works equally as well on one on one but saving amo is cool.

Single shot is the target if mostly conciecled behing box or wall always at medium or greater range.

Always leave rifle on full auto. If the enemy is far, it also means you have time to swith to single, but nothing is worse than getting caught with single shot on in close range.

If you have > 90 ping, switch to voss.

Learn to single shot on full auto, and avoid having to swith to single shot.

avoid mid range combat

reloading is almost as fast as swithcing to pistol but not quite, learn when to reload and when to use pistol, and especially learn to use pistol.

suppressive fire is lousy

remember when single shotting, your crosshair will drop back to where it was after it kicks aways, learn this timeing to increase single fire rate.

Your ping is directly related to your accuracy as with most the guns but since your going to be relying on good aim, this is extreamly import to note with the baur regarding whether or not your shooting full auto or single or burst.

O yes and very important, don't prone with this gun. I don't know why, but I cant hit a barn with this gun prone, I either fire croched or standing.

Single shotting prone targets at long and medium long range is always recomended over burst first even in low ping.
I dunno maybe more later.

austforbeer

Exactly, and even if the Baur zooms in more I feel accuracy is more important than distance.

When I first started I unlocked the Baur right away as I am a firm believer that might makes right. However I kept getting mowed down time and again by the Voss. Then I decided to try the Voss and it was love at first sight.

I recently tried using the Baur again because now that I am a better player I think it was a good time to see if maybe I was doing something. Apparently I wasn't because the results were the same as before for me.

That said I should note that I play aggressively and I'm constantly moving and trying to get the flank. As such the Voss fits me perfectly. But single shot or auto, close to mid range if I'm using a Baur and go up against a voss all things being equal I'm going to lose.

jazy2

Ping is my enemy! 100 or higher is usual for me on TG servers (playing from Ireland) Lowest ping was around 70 / 80. and highest was like 150ish!!!

I find the Voss to be the weapon of choice for me. Baur is good if I play single player (no ping) but I find killing enemies on a server waaay too hard. I get much better results with the Voss and sometimes the Krylov but the 5/6 switch for defib / rockets is just plain silly and too much to think about for consistent gameplay.

For these reasons I usually tend to play Voss in a supporting role, reviving and mass assaults only. I need others to be close by for fire support and revives when I go down....and I will go down!!

Also the shotgun attachment is useless for me. If I bring it, I usually end up in long range engagements, if I bring rockets I'm usually in CQB!!! This is probably just poor weapons choice on my part.

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Crux

Actually jazy, it is more poor positioning choices on your part (or situational awareness). When you bring that shotgun attachment, put yourself in CQB environments. Buildings, heavily cluttered areas. When moving use a lot of cover to close distance with the enemy so they can't engage you at long range.

Likewise when using rockets, try to circle the edge of the fight, and use space to create rocketing opportunities.

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This is my biggest problem with this game. I've never pinged under 120, sometimes floating at average of 180-200. I've never been able to find where the 'leading hitbox' ends up, it generally doesn't matter if I fire in front of them, on them, or behind them, my bullets at longer ranges will go right through them. Then they dive to the ground and drill me with a headshot with the Voss.

When I was in San Diego and pinging 30-40, my skill went up phenomenally. Oh the joys of living remote.

For this reason I'm usually playing Support, as even with the lousy ping compensation, a wall of bullets generally works just as well.

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