Refinding our community principles around vehicle assets

[Smachin007]

More armor maps are not the solution. We have plenty of armor, and three maps with gunships at the moment. Gunships and transports are the two assets I see in armor maps get claimed. The APC only gets claimed in maps with more infantry combat. Tanks usually aren't claimed so much as the squad is made so people can lonewolf in their own squad.

Plenty of armor maps... I count 3, and all of them are in the second half of the rotation, meaning that they don't get played part of the time due to crashes.

Minsk
Verdun
Sidi - One gunship, that hardly counts as a "gunship" map.

I agree with tech on the fact that Sidi is not a "gunship" map

As for Gunship - it´s prolly the only Asset you can can have as much fun and teamwork with on any server in existance than on TG. No need to let 70% of people suffer for your pleasure. It´s to an extend the same as the bombers in BF2. 2 people had fun while the rest of the teams were doomed to be their targets.

That's bull. The amount of anti-air in this game more than compensates for this. I can't count the amount of time that I spend in the air running from saaws or staying away from AAAs on the TG server. It's not exactly an easy server to be in the AIR on. People know how to use saaws. end of story.

[LogicalHarm]

As for Gunship - it´s prolly the only Asset you can can have as much fun and teamwork with on any server in existance than on TG. No need to let 70% of people suffer for your pleasure. It´s to an extend the same as the bombers in BF2. 2 people had fun while the rest of the teams were doomed to be their targets.

You and your ROFL have no high-ground on this.

[Zoraster]

1. Sidi is the third map last I checked although I do believe the rotation has been changed slightly recently.

2. 3 armor maps is plenty. That's 33% of our rotation (leaving out little shuhia which probably should count as neither [since it has a fair bit of armor, but infantry is important])

3. I never said sidi was a "gunship" map. Only that it had a gunship. And I've seen gunships squads on it (to my chagrin, actually).

4. Can you tell me honestly that the reason you enjoy flying gunships is because you like dodging SAAWs and AAs? If so, I think that puts you in the minority because most seem to enjoy dogfighting, taking out enemy armor, and mowing down infantry (probably in that order). I've seen so many posts that say something akin to, "the problem with 2142 air is how powerful AA is in this game."

You and your ROFL have no high-ground on this.

Hahahaha. Agreed! but there is a difference since Lyra isn't actually trying to add more armor maps with roflcopters to make things more fun for him.

[Tllyx]

4. Can you tell me honestly that the reason you enjoy flying gunships is because you like dodging SAAWs and AAs? If so, I think that puts you in the minority because most seem to enjoy dogfighting, taking out enemy armor, and mowing down infantry (probably in that order). I've seen so many posts that say something akin to, "the problem with 2142 air is how powerful AA is in this game."

Was more in the response of the 70% people suffering because of the gunship. There's so much AA on any map that that's hardly the case.

[Zoraster]

Was more in the response of the 70% people suffering because of the gunship. There's so much AA on any map that that's hardly the case.

He wasn't talking about suffering TO the gunship. He's saying that because 70% (admittedly, I'm not sure where this number came from) of people don't want to suffer through armor maps more than occasionally, adding more "gunship" maps to satisfy the whims of a few gunship pilots shouldn't happen... especially when those gunship pilots are getting the same amount of fun from TG as they would from some other server.

[Smachin007]

4. Can you tell me honestly that the reason you enjoy flying gunships is because you like dodging SAAWs and AAs? If so, I think that puts you in the minority because most seem to enjoy dogfighting, taking out enemy armor, and mowing down infantry (probably in that order). I've seen so many posts that say something akin to, "the problem with 2142 air is how powerful AA is in this game."

No it isn't on the top of my list, but its the point, that with a little effort from those on the ground you can effectively shutdown the gunship. So telling us that there are other servers to go to to fly, is just pigheaded bull****. I don't want to go to another server. I want to play on the server that I help to support, the server that I call home. If that means I get shot down more often, then whatever, but don't try and tell me that I can go elsewhere, cause you guys playing infantry can go elsewhere too.

[Zoraster]

No it isn't on the top of my list, but its the point, that with a little effort from those on the ground you can effectively shutdown the gunship. So telling us that there are other servers to go to to fly, is just pigheaded bull****. I don't want to go to another server. I want to play on the server that I help to support, the server that I call home. If that means I get shot down more often, then whatever, but don't try and tell me that I can go elsewhere, cause you guys playing infantry can go elsewhere too.

See, but this is the point. We can't go elsewhere.

Can we go to a place that enforces squadplay? Can we go to a place where people actually defend flags? To a place where people revive? To a place where people regularly communicate on VOIP? To a place where COs will actually spot? Where people actually care about capturing flags? Where people don't bunny hop all over the place? Where half the team isn't sniper, despite losing flags left and right? Where the opponents are using skill and cunning to defeat us?

There are few places like this.

But there are a ton of places that allow you to fly a gunship and have a similar experience as to the one you'd have in TG... albeit with less of a chance of getting shot down by a SAAW.

I'm not entirely against gunships on TG or anything. But to say we need more of it is off the mark.

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EDIT: I should note that I have sympathy for people who want to play more armor maps on TG. At the best times, armor maps on TG can be better than an armor map on another server. That's when armor and infantry actually manage to work together to achieve goals. It's not my preferred game play style; I think it doesn't happen that frequently; and I think most people feel similarly to me. But I do understand people who want to play more armor maps like this -- I think Mantis is one of those people. It's the request for more "gunship" maps that I am specifically referring to in my above post.

[Smachin007]

So since we can go elsewhere, we should....way to tell people to go away from TG...Thats great promotion of the community.

[Lyramion]

You and your ROFL have no high-ground on this.

Completly wrong - me and reap are NOT whining around "We want more rofl maps". I´d be completly fine with 0 Transports in TG rotation.

[LogicalHarm]

Completly wrong - me and reap are NOT whining around "We want more rofl maps"

It was re. shutting down 70% of the map, not about asking for more armor maps. Personally I'm not too bothered about adding armor maps, and as you know I fly gunships whenever I get the chance.

[Zoraster]

So since we can go elsewhere, we should....way to tell people to go away from TG...Thats great promotion of the community.

I'd rather you not go elsewhere. But if your only goal is to fly gunships, then rather than make the vast majority suffer by redoing the rotation to include more maps that can make, at max, 8 people per map happier from gunships, then I do suggest pub raiding.

TG cannot hope to be all things to all people all the time.

My hope, however, is that you'll take the TG rotation and play gunship when you get the chance, but enjoy the aspects of TG that make it a truly special place to play in the other rounds.

[Lyramion]

The current rotation is funny tho:

Have armor people whining about not enough Armor maps

and same time

Have Infantry people whining about too many Armor maps


---so the conclusion can only be - if both sides whine equally the balance in the rotation should be just perfect !

[Smachin007]

My hope, however, is that you'll take the TG rotation and play gunship when you get the chance, but enjoy the aspects of TG that make it a truly special place to play in the other rounds.

Right there it is. "Play gunship when you get the chance." That's what I do. And now I'm being asked to let others jump in lines in front me, take assets and waste them, and keep smiling the whole time about. After all, it was only another pub player that didn't know the rules. Well it gets old after a short while.

[Anospa]

Anyone else find it a lil odd there was a post made by the GO saying people should act more mature and welcoming, and people take this same post and bicker about?

I can agree with some of the stuff being said, but the way its being said by some people is a bit less than welcoming.

[Zoraster]

Right there it is. "Play gunship when you get the chance." That's what I do. And now I'm being asked to let others jump in lines in front me, take assets and waste them, and keep smiling the whole time about. After all, it was only another pub player that didn't know the rules. Well it gets old after a short while.

Awesome! we come full circle, proving that this isn't just a pointless digression, but rather a discussion that can give us some insight into the original topic.

I agree with you. I think you should be able to make asset squads, especially gunship squads, and have them be respected at least by other TG members... and if the CO orders you to take the gunship, then by all players.