Avoid Getting Knifed? - Page 4

Zoopy · 10-25-2007, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Damonte

Damonte has discovered a very effective way of avoiding being knifed while commanding.

Is it sitting in the water or half way up a ladder?

Augustus Gloop · 10-25-2007, 04:35 PM

Actually, since his promotion in the 3rd, he just orders someone to stand over him all day.

**Damonte** · 10-25-2007, 06:04 PM

Pretty much. By the way Gloop, it's your turn tonight.

Augustus Gloop · 10-25-2007, 09:00 PM

I know

Stolheis · 10-26-2007, 10:08 AM

Dont know iif anyone else share my point of view on this one, but;

When drawn upon, i try to always draw back, code of honour and all that..

Deviations from above can be;

-when alone taking back flag/important flag = eat my lead
-when covering sqmates six = eat more lead
-when doing a important (or other) order = ...yup...eat my lead

I feel like the most annoying and newbie taccs (but its a darn smart one tho) is to draw the blade to get the knifers attention, just to switch back when he thinks he got his fight. I never get annoyed at those who blast me when im trying to snag their tags, but if the blade is drawn it should not be holstered again unless a)it tasted blood or b)u die

Pardon my english.

Gator762FMJ · 10-26-2007, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Stolheis

When drawn upon, i try to always draw back, code of honour and all that..

Meh. Where I play, there's server no rules about knifing, but since most knifers I see also hop like bunnies, which IS against the server rules, that code is really thin. I fill em full of lead without a second thought.

McplAvalanche · 10-27-2007, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by nuckj

I know the proper thing to do when someone pulls a knife on you is to pull your knife rather than unload on them with an assault rifle. But, what if you turn and catch someone just before they go all Norman Bates on you. Is it ok to blast them then? What do you guys think is the proper battlefield etiquette?

Nuck J

shotgun to the face works "Don't bring a knife to a gun fight"

IMI-50AE · 10-27-2007, 01:08 AM

I'd just like to point out that Humiliation is VERY tactical. After all, if some dude gets ganked a couple times by the same guy, he's gonna get pissed off, right? And when you're mad, you generally don't think straight. This usually leads to the other dude saying "I'm gonna get that (expletives) if it's the last thing I do!"

Thus, you have effectively eleminated his tactical presence on the battlefield as he will be focused on hunting you down. Now yes, he'll probably fight the rest of your team still, he won't ignore them, but if you can manage some sort of 'baiting' system, you know, find him, let him see you, run around a corner, you can aggravate him and get your teammates a bunch of easy kills!

And why not a Pilium to the face? Takes slightly more skill, sort of, and is more humiliating in my opinion. Headshot with an H-AVR! YAYS!

Bagheera · 10-27-2007, 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by IMI-50AE

I'd just like to point out that Humiliation is VERY tactical. After all, if some dude gets ganked a couple times by the same guy, he's gonna get pissed off, right? And when you're mad, you generally don't think straight. This usually leads to the other dude saying "I'm gonna get that (expletives) if it's the last thing I do!"

Thus, you have effectively eleminated his tactical presence on the battlefield as he will be focused on hunting you down. Now yes, he'll probably fight the rest of your team still, he won't ignore them, but if you can manage some sort of 'baiting' system, you know, find him, let him see you, run around a corner, you can aggravate him and get your teammates a bunch of easy kills!

And why not a Pilium to the face? Takes slightly more skill, sort of, and is more humiliating in my opinion. Headshot with an H-AVR! YAYS!

Humiliation is a very good tactic. This goes for more than knifing. I've gotten entire squads to come looking for me, and I've spent entire games just running around the map while an entire squad is hunting me down, taking potshots at them, playing a cat and mouse game. The ratio is impressive;

Me running away from an entire squad the whole game;
1 guy out of the bigger tactical picture

Entire squad hunting me down with armor, snipers, and everything else;
5-6 guys out of the bigger tactical picture

nuckj · 10-27-2007, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Bagheera

Entire squad hunting me down with armor, snipers, and everything else; 5-6 guys out of the bigger tactical picture

Plus it makes you feel good to be cared about so much..heh.

Cpt.Pierce · 10-27-2007, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by nuckj

I know the proper thing to do when someone pulls a knife on you is to pull your knife rather than unload on them with an assault rifle. But, what if you turn and catch someone just before they go all Norman Bates on you. Is it ok to blast them then? What do you guys think is the proper battlefield etiquette?

Nuck J

The Norman Bates line made me laugh.

Unload away on the knifing 'psycho.'

Acreo Aeneas · 10-27-2007, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by SharinganTH1422

I'm unbelievably useless with the pistol. Once I got such an amazing first-time headshot when I had like 20 HP, I flt like such a pro

, that was my second highest score round ever, I was on fire.

I wasn't very good either at the beginning with the pistol. It takes a little practice. Just try to stay calm and aim for the guy's head/neck area. I usually do triple-tap or double-tap. With luck, you can ground two knifers with one clip.

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Originally Posted by SharinganTH1422

As demonstrated in the screenshots I took, however, the others do hear your knife, but it's so much quicker, easier, and more humiliating doing it this way

. But the people that won't hear or see you, are the people slightly further away, not in the immediate vicinity, but close enough to hear rapid fire and the sound of their snipers dying. Actually, knifing has many tactical advantages, it's a one-hit kill weapon in close range, that's virtually silent, and humiliating for the opponent. (OK, humiliating isn't tactical, but it is fun)

Never pull your knife near your victim. That metal scratch sound is very distinct (like that of the M1 Garand clip being reloaded). And if you miss, the guy probably has enough bullets left to turn your head into pulp.

**Razcsak** · 10-28-2007, 01:50 AM

Running with the Krylov as PAC has gotten my pistol skills up a bit too. I'm used to the Voss' 40 round clip, so that drop to 30 is a bit surprising. Many a time I've engaged people I could have sworn I could take with my mag percentage, but had to resort to a pistol to finish them off.

Don't stop moving, the pistol's lateral deviation is smaller than the ARs. Circle-strafe and fire.

-Spartan`II7^ · 10-28-2007, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Cooljv23

I get pretty upset when someone knifes me and takes my dogtag its makes me so darn mad. Any advices on how to avoid this situation?Suggestions appreciated

Shoot them in the face and teabag them for being stupid enough to use a knife against your gun, problem solved.

If you're still having problems, play support with a shotgun and an IDS-1.

SharinganTH1422 · 10-28-2007, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Tarenth

Tight Line - Where someone is point and the 2nd person follows them, 3rd to the 2nd, 4th to 3rd, 5th to 4th, and 6th to 5th. Basically if you were to take a eye in the sky view it would look like you were following a path set by the SL in a line. This is especially true in attempts to sneak past the front line to a rear sector or when moving down cramped quarters like behind buildings or through hallways. When in this formation its probably best if the 2nd person stand ground and watch the rear while waiting for the 6th person to pass. Then the 2nd takes the 6th's place at the end of the line while the 3rd stops and watches the rear. Its a rough format of leap frog, but its mainly so you aren't taken from the rear by a pursuit force and cut from behind. That's assuming the SL is at point leading the way into a rear sector the CO reports clear.

Very professional, reminds me of the cut-scenes in MGS2 when you see the mercenary bad-guys (for lack of a better term) taking over loads of dif. places, like on the tanker, especially when you first arrive on it, ah memories, I'm in the mood to complete MGS2 now, it's been a while.

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Originally Posted by Tarenth

Scatter Formation - You don't exactly follow someone, but tend to move in a group toward an objective because you're headed in a general direction and everyone knows where to go. Again, if seen from above it would look like a loose cluster and this is what people usually fall into when they are holding a location from multiple routes of attack or cover open ground with sparse cover. In this situation there really is no real reason for everyone to face the same direction. You should pick a point depending on where you are located in relation to everyone else and spot dangers before they start raining lead and explosive death on your squad. If that means walking backwards or glancing back frequently while you have the rear position then that's what you do because its at least more productive than staring at the back of the point's helmet.

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Originally Posted by Tarenth

When working as a squad recognize that everyone needs to watch something so nothing is missed and figure out quickly who is watching what so you leave no gaps. When working alone then you start to worry about RDX jumping or defense again knifers because you have no squad to watch your six. On a TG server with a TG squad any knifer will be met with a hail of bullets to the face and you'll be defibbed so a defense against one is a nonissue.

I do regularly check my six when in a squad, even running backwards for extensive periods of time, especially when in that line fomration and if I know I'm at the back, I did this frequently when playing with some TGers a couple of nights ago, especially on Belgrade when we were frequently on the move. And yes, in a sqaud you are almost invincible to knifers and RDXing bunnyhoppers.

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Originally Posted by Gator762FMJ

Great point Tarenth. Best defense is to work with a squad, so you have someone to watch your six.

I assumed the OP was sniping a lot, because like you said, knifers are not really a problem for someone working with a squad.

If you have someone watching your six, you should be fine, but when in an intense firefight the other night (the same I just mentioned) on Cerbere landing, we were defending the hills leading to church, and the Pulse Meter just kept revealing enemies, I would juts go a long way round and knife 2 or 3 of the proned rocket whores/snipers, and then get killed. I could have got much more with a recon kit and camo, but I knew that wouldn't be helping my squad.

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Originally Posted by IMI-50AE

I'd just like to point out that Humiliation is VERY tactical. After all, if some dude gets ganked a couple times by the same guy, he's gonna get pissed off, right? And when you're mad, you generally don't think straight. This usually leads to the other dude saying "I'm gonna get that (expletives) if it's the last thing I do!"

Thus, you have effectively eleminated his tactical presence on the battlefield as he will be focused on hunting you down. Now yes, he'll probably fight the rest of your team still, he won't ignore them, but if you can manage some sort of 'baiting' system, you know, find him, let him see you, run around a corner, you can aggravate him and get your teammates a bunch of easy kills!

And why not a Pilium to the face? Takes slightly more skill, sort of, and is more humiliating in my opinion. Headshot with an H-AVR! YAYS!

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Originally Posted by Bagheera

Humiliation is a very good tactic. This goes for more than knifing. I've gotten entire squads to come looking for me, and I've spent entire games just running around the map while an entire squad is hunting me down, taking potshots at them, playing a cat and mouse game. The ratio is impressive;

Me running away from an entire squad the whole game;
1 guy out of the bigger tactical picture

Entire squad hunting me down with armor, snipers, and everything else;
5-6 guys out of the bigger tactical picture

Indeed, I've gone into this fit of rage, and mostly got my revenge, for the ones I couldn't get before they left, I simply buddied them and went after them another time. But yes, I've knifed a few people several times in a round, and they do get very frustrated, sprinting in the open with a knife, where I shoot them and then...

Say all:HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

They just swear loads and if they don't get kicked for it I keep frustrating them.

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Originally Posted by Acreo Aeneas

Never pull your knife near your victim. That metal scratch sound is very distinct (like that of the M1 Garand clip being reloaded). And if you miss, the guy probably has enough bullets left to turn your head into pulp.

Wow, it's been a while since I've played COD2. Yes, I usually draw my knife either very much in advance (in those screenshots I posted, my knife was drawn as soon as I saw the APMS next to the ladder, on the lower levels) or if I'm surprised to find someone proning and not facing me, and I'm too close to take out my knife without being heard, I take it out as soon as I'm right nest to the soldier in knifing position, I switch to knife and immediately attack

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Originally Posted by Acreo Aeneas

I wasn't very good either at the beginning with the pistol. It takes a little practice. Just try to stay calm and aim for the guy's head/neck area. I usually do triple-tap or double-tap. With luck, you can ground two knifers with one clip.

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Originally Posted by Razcsak

Running with the Krylov as PAC has gotten my pistol skills up a bit too. I'm used to the Voss' 40 round clip, so that drop to 30 is a bit surprising. Many a time I've engaged people I could have sworn I could take with my mag percentage, but had to resort to a pistol to finish them off.

Don't stop moving, the pistol's lateral deviation is smaller than the ARs. Circle-strafe and fire.

I'll bare these tips and mind, and thanks for them.

And just repeating what I said earlier, just do whatever you want to do, I personally draw my knife, and Concr3te got annoyed when we were on a dif. server and when someone pulled a knife on me I didn't just get shoot them. But I don't draw my knife because it's honourable, just because it's more fun, the tension as you spot each other and then sprint in for the kill, is much more of a challenge, and much more exciting, then just nailing them with the Baur. Whatever you do, you shouldn't feel forced into doing it, if you want to shoot them, just shoot them, it's got nothing to to do with honour.