Bagheera

Actually, on large vehicle maps the benefit to using the Zeller (believe it or not) is to ride shotgun on armor such as a tank or walker (or in a transport) and shoot out the motion mines from a distance. Often, I'll ride shotgun, and before my friendly armor walks or drives into an enemy base, I'll hop out and get busy disarming (from a distance) enemy explosives and EMP mines.

Enemy engineers coming out to re-set motion mines and EMP mines get mowed down by either myself via headshots or my friendly armor via tons of bullets and shells.

You can use either the stock or the Zeller to take out enemy engineers wielding Pilums or stock rockets, which I do all the time. A good sniper in 2142 protects their armor division!

Sniper rifles are also fantastic at taking out AA gun operators and railgun operators from a distance. In several definitions of a good sniper, a sniper is a force multiplier due to the psychological impact they leave upon the enemy, rather than the number of kills they have. In 2142 where you simply respawn, obviously the psychological impact is diminished for the most part, but it is not diminished in situations where players feel like they will get sniped the second they sit their butts inside of an AA gun or a railgun. The same goes for stand offs (such as between Toll and Harbor on Gibraltar), but that's another conversation.

Remember, if enemy players AREN'T in an AA gun or railgun, they're not shooting at your armor and flyboys.

SharinganTH1422

It would be interesting if you could get an option for no armour as well as light and heavy armour...lets you sprint for even longer and faster and recovers quicker.

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SKsniper128

Yea, but you'll take more damage per shot and die faster too.

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slugslinger

i didnt know you can shoot out mines. ive killed the driver and the gunner in the FAV with one shot a few times while they were driving with the zellar. i dont think you can do that with the defualt sniper rifle.

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Razcsak

I didn't think you could do that with the Zeller either. I've never heard this claim before.

edit: oh. Do you mean that you wiped out both targets with one shot, or killed both with a shot each?

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Lorax74

As far as I know, the Zellar can be used to take out motion mines. Didn't the latest patch also give the Zellar the ability to clear APMs and RDX?

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Tarenth

Zellar always had the anti-asset ability to take out deployables. The recent patch gave Clark RDX the ability to detonate RDX and APMs within their blast radius. In short, the glowing balls of doom are now RDX-lite when it comes to clearing a path.

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Bagheera

You can do it with the stock rifle. It sounds like you're either more comfortable with the Zellar and get nice headshots (same as a stock rifle), or they were already wounded, and the Zellar is better at finishing off wounded than the stock rifles are.

I use stock rifles 95% of the time, and I always take out drivers and gunners in FAVs. You can also take out aerial transport gunners as well, because they're exposed.

slugslinger

i find the stocks are more accurate then the zellar.i know you can take them out one by one with the stock, but not both at the same time the zellar can.

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slugslinger

i have man a few times and they were just lucky shots too, i ment to hit the driver but as he was driving i got them both with one shot.

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SKsniper128

I've made shots beyond my view distance on maps like highway tampa. All I need is a good spotter and a decent amount of elevation. The spotter marks the target with the red diamond, 'cause the diamond is centered on the chest, it normally takes two shots to the center of the diamond to take him out. It's possible to get a headshot this way if you aim just a bit above the topmost point of the diamond.

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SKsniper128

Oh, and I find this easiest to do with the Zeller. The stock rifles don't do the damage needed for this kind of out-of-view enagement, because the target might be an assault class and then it would take three rounds rather than the two the zeller needs.

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Tarenth

That's some pretty short ranged 'out of view' you've got there if a shot to the center of the diamond is hitting them. I have my fog set as far as possible and only recently changed it to full view to do some Gunship hunting on Tampa. Aiming center mass at such long distances will make you hit the ground due to bullet drop regardless if you use the Zellar or the stock rifles. That's at excessively long range and I think I've only successfully gotten 1 or 2 kills by aiming at a spot well above their marker.

Personally I perfer the stock rifle for such 'on faith' shooting because the extra rounds means I can try and try again since I don't expect to hit (its what makes me a middling sniper) when I'm shooting practically blind and on intuition. That, and you have a faster round timer meaning you can put more bullets in the air with a stock rifle than a Zeller meaning you can clip a person 4 times in the time it takes a Zellar to chamber the 3rd round.

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Bagheera

Assaults only take 3 bullets if they immediately whip out their medkit to self heal, and if you're slow. If you're fast enough, 2 bullets will take them out with a stock rifle, regardless of whether or not they have their medkit.

Aiming at diamonds works, and sometimes so does aiming at the tracer rounds that Zellers leave behind. This is why it's easier to hunt Zeller users than it is to hunt stock users.

I only use a Zeller if there's going to be an inordinate amount of motion mines all over the map, such as in Tampa.


Tarenth is on the money here. In 2142, fewer shots counts for little, you're better off putting more lead into the air in situations like this. When zero visibility is a factor, a support guy with a Ganz is going to be of a lot more use shooting at the fog, than a sniper with any rifle would be.

Also, just saving your ammo for only those "oh so sweet" shots isn't helping anyone except maybe your accuracy ratio, unfortunately. Simply shooting at anything that moves, whether you hit or not, is enough to get heads down and allow your squad to punch through, by bunkering enemy squads. Maybe it's not for everyone, but I've found the "run & gun" sniper works much better for me in 2142, as opposed to sniping in other games. The "sniper" in 2142 isn't really much of a sniper, and is more like a designated marksman in a squad, due to range/scope issues, visibility, and lack of camouflage. In my opinion, it's better to camp ONLY in a stand off, and take out high value targets such as rocket monkeys, HMG users, enemy engineers, and the few skilled snipers that exist in 2142.

In CC situations, I like to use the Baur to sharp shoot, and pack the shotgun with me as well, just because it's damn fun. It only takes two headshots to take out enemy snipers, plus you can heal yourself (yes I know it's cheap, medics who self heal are cheap, but unfortunately it's part of the game, just like rocket monkeys.)



Edit: Using "you" or "your" isn't specific to anyone in this thread, FYI, just a general "you" or "your."

SKsniper128

Not really, I have my View distance set to max. My spotter marks the target but would tell me his guess at how far the guy is. But even if the target is halfway across the map on Highway Tampa his figure gets smaller, the box doesn't. If the distance is high enough just aim just to either the left or right of the top corner of the diamond (depending on what direction he's moving). But Midrange aim above the marker as you said. The biggest help is the full circle signaling a hit, that means that your aim is correct and to keep shooting.

I'm not even sure this converation is on topic...

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