Solo TV gunship help - Page 2

**Lyramion** · 04-30-2008, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Lorax74

Three videos? Come on Lyra, you're slipping...

Come on Lorax you´re slipping....

**Anospa** · 04-30-2008, 03:28 PM

Yeah, uhmm, that guy in the videos, he's good.... wow.

**ThaDoctah** · 04-30-2008, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Eroak

Not all of us can use a n52 either. I dont have one nor the cash.

Are Macros OK? Yes. Why? EA has co-developed with hardware providers (logitech & ideazon) of keyboard and mouse devices. Theses devices allowed and encourged the use of macros and even had pre programed macros already downloadable from designer websites for EA games. EA allows this and encourges it. If they can't use it, no one should? What about 3000dpi? No one normaly can move a railgun turret that fast, But some of us do that. I think you get my point.

As far as TG rules go, Exploiting is finding flaws within a game/map design. Hacking is injecting, intercepting code and altering the state of a game. I dont see macros falling under either. On some levels, High DPI mouse can be considered a hack since it's injecting higher amount of information then normal like speed hacks used in older games such as quake 2. But that's long shot.

If EA is conflicting themselves and I'm in error, please show me where and I'll address this with the admin panel if this should be allowed or not. Until then, macros are not in the rules.

Just to point out though, we frown upon using the gunship as a transport on Minsk because it isn't in the spirit of the game.

Essentially you're asking us to accept that because you *can* simulate:

climbing from the pilot seat to the gunner seat
pressing the button to drop a TV missile and then
climbing back into the pilot seat

in the click of a mouse button or keystroke, you should be able to.

We also don't allow high building beacons because it's unsportsmanlike yet EA implemented that too.

I believe basing an argument on the fact that "EA allowed it and hasn't fixed it so we can do it" is weak. We pride ourselves on realism and fairplay, hence firing TV missiles solo shouldn't be allowed.

**Zhohar** · 04-30-2008, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Eroak

Are Macros OK? Yes. Why? EA has co-developed with hardware providers (logitech & ideazon) of keyboard and mouse devices. Theses devices allowed and encourged the use of macros and even had pre programed macros already downloadable from designer websites for EA games. EA allows this and encourges it. If they can't use it, no one should? What about 3000dpi? No one normaly can move a railgun turret that fast, But some of us do that. I think you get my point.

You're right, I don't have a problem with macros.

I do have a problem with using macros to do something that wouldn't be done on the real life battlefield.

Case in point -- switch to the second seat of a gunship to fire a weapon. It's not something that would ever be done in real life. In fact, I doubt a single person would be even allowed to take off with a two-seat fighter jet in order to engage in combat, much less be encouraged to perform physical acrobatics inside the cockpit while engaged in combat. The purpose of a pilot is to fly, the purpose of a gunner is to gun.

This goes against the simulation aspect of TG.

**Lorax74** · 04-30-2008, 04:38 PM

I don't see the admin team taking up a discussion about macros, it is simply not something we can accurately admin without standing behind someone and looking over their shoulder.

**Razcsak** · 04-30-2008, 05:54 PM

I have less of a problem with macros than I do people switching seats and actually guiding the TV missile. The macro makes it like a dive-bomb, which I don't really have a problem with. Its just another button in the cockpit at that point.

**Uranium - 235** · 05-01-2008, 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Zhohar

Case in point -- switch to the second seat of a gunship to fire a weapon. It's not something that would ever be done in real life.

Neither would be jumping in a tank or a gunship in the first place, for that matter. I'm pretty sure in real life, the grunts aren't taught how to drive a tank, much less aim, fire, and reload the gun themselves. And a pilot sure as hell isn't going to fit into the cockpit with an HMG strapped to his back, much less is he going to bail out and then jump into and hotwire an 80 ton enemy battlewalker. And a soldier isn't running around with a self-packing parachute on his ass that he can deploy after falling 10 feet.

Honestly, BF games are so full of asinine unrealistic idiocy, to try to pass something off on the grounds of being 'unrealistic'... well there's nothing realistic about a tank being blown up by a single shot to the rear with anything less than another tank either. Were this game actually trying to take itself seriously, you might have a point, but I could really go all day about how much 'arcadey' crap there is in this game (don't think I'm completely happy with all of it, however).

**Augustus Gloop** · 05-01-2008, 10:34 AM

Part of the trouble comes from TG's start in "realistic" tactical gaming. We're still trying to figure out where to fit the games that start from an inherently unrealistic premise, and what should be allowed as a result. Conversations like this are a good way of beginning a climate change, or helping to re-examine something that's been static a while, but let's not get heated.

twiddilywink · 05-01-2008, 11:07 AM

what is a macro excactly? is it like a program u set to a key or something?

**Lorax74** · 05-01-2008, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by twiddilywink

what is a macro excactly? is it like a program u set to a key or something?

Close. It is probably easiest defined as a keystroke that sets off a series of commands, be they mouse clicks, button presses, etc.

**Eroak** · 05-01-2008, 05:42 PM

We all switch seats in tanks, APCs and FAVs. That in IRL would take a minute in a tank and APC. Some things will never add up to realistic. An Apachie pilot and co-pilot can both fire and pilot thier platform. Although the pilot cannot use the main chaingun, He still can take over fire control and launch any and all guided/un-guided rockets/missles while still controling his platform. Now since they intoduced the longbow and more advanced firecontrol systems, this might be different now.

Wineo · 05-03-2008, 07:17 PM

Better idea - - don't solo a gunship.

:-)

Wine-o

blueeagle · 05-03-2008, 08:08 PM

great vids. on the flying the gunship solo, and using the TV missles. I've tried the key sequence / F2 > Rght. Mouse clik. > aim > shoot > guide missle many a time but not with much success. Accuracy being a main factor (and falling out of the sky).....wonder if Eroak could go into a little more detail about using that macro ... I'm using a Razer Copperhead mouse. ...should I be able to bind that macro with this mouse ??

**pred011586** · 05-03-2008, 08:34 PM

The idea is you don't actually guide the missle, you just gotta aim it with enough of a lead that it'll hit with no guidance. Practice makes perfect!

**Eroak** · 05-04-2008, 01:18 AM

The mouse you bought should have some sort of guide, either on disk or online on how to program macros. Every program is different so I can't really tell you how to set on up.

On another note, Lorax is right. This game really has little use with macros. The gunship is about the only thing and even then it's vary hard to pull off. I only got 1 kill out of 20 some odd attempts.

Macros work best in MMORPG type games. Sending chat messages with actions is the most common. WoW has a built in system to make macros for your toons.

04-30-2008, 03:28 PM	#17 (permalink)
Anospa Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Northeastern University (Boston) Age: 21 Posts: 3,816	Re: Solo TV gunship help Yeah, uhmm, that guy in the videos, he's good.... wow. __________________ 3rd SFD \| 2142 Guide Index Check out my live broadcasts! \| Submit a Ribbon Nomination Proud to have been an IRRegular! "Brittle?! Dude you just took a localized tactical warhead to the face." -Eroak

04-30-2008, 04:38 PM	#20 (permalink)
Lorax74 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Bridgewater, NJ Age: 34 Posts: 6,398	Re: Solo TV gunship help I don't see the admin team taking up a discussion about macros, it is simply not something we can accurately admin without standing behind someone and looking over their shoulder. __________________ TG-9th Lorax74 Get on TeamSpeak!

04-30-2008, 05:54 PM	#21 (permalink)
Razcsak Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Pittsburgh Age: 20 Posts: 947	Re: Solo TV gunship help I have less of a problem with macros than I do people switching seats and actually guiding the TV missile. The macro makes it like a dive-bomb, which I don't really have a problem with. Its just another button in the cockpit at that point. __________________ \|TG-3rd\|Razcsak Proud to have been an Irregular!

05-01-2008, 10:34 AM	#23 (permalink)
Augustus Gloop Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Gone for the weekend folks! Age: 32 Posts: 2,589	Re: Solo TV gunship help Part of the trouble comes from TG's start in "realistic" tactical gaming. We're still trying to figure out where to fit the games that start from an inherently unrealistic premise, and what should be allowed as a result. Conversations like this are a good way of beginning a climate change, or helping to re-examine something that's been static a while, but let's not get heated. __________________

05-01-2008, 11:07 AM	#24 (permalink)
twiddilywink Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 240	Re: Solo TV gunship help what is a macro excactly? is it like a program u set to a key or something? __________________ \|TG-Irr\| Twiddilywink Alpha Platoon is where to be :D

05-01-2008, 05:42 PM	#26 (permalink)
Eroak Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In a AC-130 shooting 105's at you. Age: 28 Posts: 3,139	Re: Solo TV gunship help We all switch seats in tanks, APCs and FAVs. That in IRL would take a minute in a tank and APC. Some things will never add up to realistic. An Apachie pilot and co-pilot can both fire and pilot thier platform. Although the pilot cannot use the main chaingun, He still can take over fire control and launch any and all guided/un-guided rockets/missles while still controling his platform. Now since they intoduced the longbow and more advanced firecontrol systems, this might be different now. __________________ Do you know your roots? R.I.P. Lost Fires - June 16, 2001 - June 18, 2008 An EverQuest guild - We miss you Faylon

05-03-2008, 07:17 PM	#27 (permalink)
Wineo Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 14	Re: Solo TV gunship help Better idea - - don't solo a gunship. :-) Wine-o __________________ \|TG\| Wineo

05-03-2008, 08:08 PM	#28 (permalink)
blueeagle Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 6	Re: Solo TV gunship help great vids. on the flying the gunship solo, and using the TV missles. I've tried the key sequence / F2 > Rght. Mouse clik. > aim > shoot > guide missle many a time but not with much success. Accuracy being a main factor (and falling out of the sky).....wonder if Eroak could go into a little more detail about using that macro ... I'm using a Razer Copperhead mouse. ...should I be able to bind that macro with this mouse ??

05-03-2008, 08:34 PM	#29 (permalink)
pred011586 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Lowell/Medford, MA Age: 22 Posts: 205	Re: Solo TV gunship help The idea is you don't actually guide the missle, you just gotta aim it with enough of a lead that it'll hit with no guidance. Practice makes perfect! __________________ [T-BAGZ]Pred011586

05-04-2008, 01:18 AM	#30 (permalink)
Eroak Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In a AC-130 shooting 105's at you. Age: 28 Posts: 3,139	Re: Solo TV gunship help The mouse you bought should have some sort of guide, either on disk or online on how to program macros. Every program is different so I can't really tell you how to set on up. On another note, Lorax is right. This game really has little use with macros. The gunship is about the only thing and even then it's vary hard to pull off. I only got 1 kill out of 20 some odd attempts. Macros work best in MMORPG type games. Sending chat messages with actions is the most common. WoW has a built in system to make macros for your toons. __________________ Do you know your roots? R.I.P. Lost Fires - June 16, 2001 - June 18, 2008 An EverQuest guild - We miss you Faylon

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