draeh

As with Azura's armor post. I too have noticed an increase in a particular kind of reckless behavior. The behavior in question is recklessly walking/running through doorways and around corners. In the past couple of weeks, I've been playing more Recon and getting way more APM kills than I should. What disturbs me is that I am seeing way too many |TG| tags falling for the same APM placed in the same place multiple times per round.

Like Lyra's video, I've been placing APMs in specific locations to alert me of enemy presence. His video also makes the assumption that people are barreling through openings without heed to what is on the other side, and he is correct. We must remember that being situationally aware also includes those items that cannot be detected by an Otus or IDS.

In the heat of battle, some APM kills are inevitable and there isn't always time to crouch around every corner. Just remember the next time your trying to be stealthy and a take a back flag when you think no one is around that there may be small surprises in your path that will trigger the enemies awareness to your presence.

Stay safe out there.

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jazy2

Oh no.....why did you tell!

I loved playing recon with surprises....might not work so well anymore

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Lorax74

To tack on to this, I have seen way people take note of a cluster of enemies around a corner and then go charging around the corner with rifle blazing. Please, for the love of all that is good and shiny, resist your rambo instincts and instead prime and toss a nade AFTER alerting your squadmates to your intention.

Also, since I mentioned grenades, let me state something a lot of people are forgetting: grenades and rockets are situational and depending on the situation, one is often a much better choice than another. I have seen many people back peddling to increase their distance from target to 20m rather than just lobbing a grenade for a sure kill. You have grenades, use them! They're also great at softening up flags or well defended locations.

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Uranium - 235

Like stopping to teabag a corpse in the middle of a firefight, mmmm?

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Eroak

For our newer players, Stick with the squad. If you see a contact. Note it to your squad and move with them or a buddy.

APMs are one of my best weapons because I know that people barrel around (or past corners). But this is very hard to predict where APMs go. Most green recons will place APMs in clear view. This is where most of us kneel and move slowly past it. If you notice this, Do the same! More vetern recons use APMs more for warning then for kills. They usally have RDX in near prox or a squad waiting at the next flag. These APMs are key to a defense of a flag. But... These are also the APMs you wont see until it's to late. The only thing you can do, is peak high traffic areas. Look around before moving into that flag. You see a APM? Tell your squad its location.

I hate to give away sneaky tactics, personaly this has saved a number of back flags from cappage.

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Uranium - 235

I see a lot of Recon troops dropping APMs at their feet in the middle of firefights around flags. I know that rushing in and dropping a grenade at your feet isn't allowed, so I don't see why spamming APMs would be...

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Eroak

Why isn't dropping a gernade at your feet legel? Only if you intend on killing yourself to get others kills it is, But if your drop and bolt, it's legit.

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Uranium - 235

You don't have to directly kill yourself for a tactic to be regarded as 'suicidal'. To me a suicide tactic is anything that you intentionally do that expresses zero regard for your own life, a hopeless situation you put yourself in, with the intent to get cheap, easy kills.

Running around in a group of enemies while right-clicking grenades at your feet so that they are unseen in the confusion to shoot you (and then blow up, killing people) is a 'suicide tactic'. If you can argue that such behavior is okay because I didn't cause my OWN death, you can also say any Jihad Jeep you can walk away from is a legit tactic.

Likewise, an Engineer rushing an APC flinging mines wildly without intention to get away safely, but just to drop enough mines before he dies so he can get a post-mortem kill, is also a suicide tactic. To that end, a recon charging enemies without a gun equipped, instead throwing APMs at his feet so they don't see them in the confusion and after his inevitable death he can get some kills, is also a suicide tactic.

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timusafa

That's not reckless at all. Sometimes you just gotta show the other guy the better part(s) of your squad.

Yes, grenades are never what people think of when they want to clean out the path ahead. Too many people rely on rockets that they totally forget about grenades that can bounce around corners (to a certain extent) and arc over larger obstacles. Plus, you don't have to give the nade a heave that sends it across the map. The right mouse button lets you place it right on the ground in front of waiting enemies.

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I agree with what you said, Uranium. But not all cases are suicidal. I think I done this 3 or 4 times. I'm hauling ass away because I got flanked. Rather then rambo like most people, I book it. One thing I like to do if I have time to think is in mid run, drop a nade in hopes to break off my presuers and maybe even kill one or 2. I has worked and saved my ass. I had no intent to run in with a gernade strapped to my belt. I had no clue I was flanked. That might have been reckless, But I found myself at odds end and I believed that was about my last choice to save my ass.

If you see someone run into a squad by himself, even carrying a clark it's considered suicidal. Its not the weapon that makes it legit or not, It's the action the player takes that makes it a suicidal tactic.


It is reckless and stupid. What does it do for your team other then give you away or make someone risk another ticket to revive you after you got pelted with rockets and 3 snipers.

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Revolusinov

Famous last thoughs of APM mine victims

After chasing retreating enemy
"Great what was I thinking"

After retreating from enemy
"Woohoo I'm alive, O #$#&"

After being warned about the mine around the corner
"which corner"
or
"what mine"

After getting high
"oooo candy"

After a night of excessive drinking
"I r mine sweeper charge!!"



On other notes, dropping apm mines while being chased to me is pretty on par with rdx spamming except its easier to do and faster to detonate. IMO avoiding mine spam is 1000% times harder to avoid then an rdx bhopping spammer, with exceptiong of the lask rdx which causes an autoswitch to remote for insta kill. The problem with dropping mines while being chases is it has no warning, no sound, and no detonation delay. The moment it touches ground its armed. Why because the detection radius is rediculous large, undodgeable and instant. Its practically an instant grenade. If you've been on ff off server you'd understand how effective they are. Recon just run around corner drop at their feet and intantly kill everyone. I don't know if theres an arming timer on them, but with 80 ping, they blow up the instant they hit the ground. What I don't get is how rdx spam is banned but apm mine drops and attacks are seen daily.

Persanlly I do it with grenades after charging around corners to shoot at 6 people and realizing that was a bad idea and turning around the other way screaming to kill anyone that follows me but thats much harder to do, and there is a giant hissing noise and delay.

sc1ence

RDX spam is not banned. Bunny hopping is. Feel free to use rdx liberally. just dont hop around like a fool when you do.

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Uranium - 235

Exactly! It's a fine line, but yet a WORLD of difference between a recon saying 'Well ****, here comes an assload of guys, time to slow them up...', and simply running in circles trying to cause as much potential damage with post-mortem kills.

Even to an Assault spawning in on a flag surrounded by enemies, who is in that situation without intention, I'd still say it's a suicide tactic (and absolutely ****ing lame) to just switch to grenades and throw them at the ground before he dies.

As you said, it's really just intention that makes the difference. And I've assaulted plenty of flags where there's no APMs one moment, and then the next moment I'm blown up after everyone's dead because a sniper who was caught with his pants down just threw some APMs before he died. He might as well have just thrown RDX and blew himself up.

OH and Eroak, he was joking ("Most important parts"?) My comment to Draeh was last night on Gib, two seconds before the map ended, his squad wiped out an enemy squad and I saw him run over and apparently start teabagging someone. Only I hid like the spineless coward I am and pistoled his ass down before the round ended

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DaBrit

I am an expert APM defuser -.-

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Freeboter

Whenever I do something like that I have complete confidence that I will come out of it alive.