Re: sniping - head or body?

**pred011586** · 05-15-2008, 02:45 AM

Works on Sentry drones, not on health/ammo boxes last i checked.

I use the 'g' pick up in Titan mode alot. If I kill a recon at our consoles before he blows the RDX I'll pick up his kit and remove his RDX so that a lucky grenade won't set off the explosives and destroy the console with little effort.

Question, does shooting RDX with a zeller trigger the explosive to it's full effect? Or just gets rid of it. I'm picturing a Recon using APM and RDX on the building between Roadblock and Crossroads in Berlin. Instead of blowing all the RDX when you see someone, shoot the RDX with the Zeller when enemies are in range. Obviously if the RDX just dissappears, or this doesn't work at all, then the whole idea is useless =).

**Uranium - 235** · 05-15-2008, 03:21 AM

Originally Posted by pred011586

I'll pick up his kit and remove his RDX so that a lucky grenade won't set off the explosives and destroy the console with little effort.

Can someone confirm that this can happen? First time I've heard of it, but I've never tested it myself. Does it only happen when they're orphaned?

Question, does shooting RDX with a zeller trigger the explosive to it's full effect? Or just gets rid of it.

I'm fairly sure the explosion is just visual flair and it does no damage at all. I just checked on my own and while there may be an exception for your OWN explosives, they did no damage to me except make noise and 'deafen' me.

This also seems like a good place to ask if someone can explain / draw an accurate impression of an APM's detection range. Whenever I find an APM, I either crouch past it, or... it blows me up. I've never really tested the angles / distance at which it can see you.

**pred011586** · 05-15-2008, 05:00 AM

Originally Posted by Uranium - 235

Can someone confirm that this can happen? First time I've heard of it, but I've never tested it myself. Does it only happen when they're orphaned?

100% guarentee it works on RDX, but you HAVE to pick up the kit that laid down the explosives. You can't just run around with no RDX and pick up the enemy's to de-mine the field, you have to kill the Recon that planted them, pick up his kit, and THEN pick up the RDX that are now tied to the Detonator in your possession. I haven't tested if this works on APMs. It makes sense if you think about it. Once you pick up the kit, the kit is yours, the RDX are tied to your detonator and thus the RDX are treated as if they're yours....

Interesting Case Study:

If a Support SM places an IDS on his SL's Otus, then dies and someone else picks up his kit... Does the IDS switch sides?

Originally Posted by Uranium - 235

I'm fairly sure the explosion is just visual flair and it does no damage at all. I just checked on my own and while there may be an exception for your OWN explosives, they did no damage to me except make noise and 'deafen' me.

Damn, that'd be awesome if you could combine RDX and the Zeller for remote individual RDX triggers. Would give Sniping Recon alot more use on the battlefield. Especially if you if you place the APM and the RDX in such a way that the APM is obvious, and they slow down to not trigger the APM, then you put an RDX just behind it, again obvious. I've done this on the north side Roadblock in Berlin and very few people tried to get through there. Those that did, died a firey death. I was hoping for a similar setup with the building between Crossroads and Roadblock, or the 4 ground paths into Toll Station. Using the Zeller to detonate individual RDXes instead of all at once, which would be far too wasteful and dangerous (team kills) to make useful.

**sights** · 05-15-2008, 06:40 AM

1. You CAN'T remove the RDX or APM another recon has planted. Same goes for IDS, PDS etc.
They disappear themselves after the owner is dead and you pick up his kit, but they CAN NOT be removed by another person. That's a 100% guarantee

What you saw, was a coincidence. It accidentally disappeared just as you pressed G...

2. When you shoot the RDX with a Zeller is the same as defusing it, that means no BOOM , that's why it's safer to shoot it , INSTEAD of defusing it.

3. About the Otus - IDS combo. Nope, it doesn't switch sides. The best thing you can do is place an IDS/PDS combo on an enemy vehicle, and it will detect itself and enemy infantry...

4. The APM range of detection is about 120 degree angle, and about 10m (ingame, which is about 3m in real life). It sometimes spreads its angle of detection to almost 160 degrees, but that's a bug that appears sometimes...

**Uranium - 235** · 05-15-2008, 08:02 AM

Originally Posted by pred011586

100% guarentee it works on RDX, but you HAVE to pick up the kit that laid down the explosives. You can't just run around with no RDX and pick up the enemy's to de-mine the field, you have to kill the Recon that planted them, pick up his kit, and THEN pick up the RDX that are now tied to the Detonator in your possession. I haven't tested if this works on APMs. It makes sense if you think about it. Once you pick up the kit, the kit is yours, the RDX are tied to your detonator and thus the RDX are treated as if they're yours....

No, I meant blowing up RDX with a grenade.

Originally Posted by sights

1. You CAN'T remove the RDX or APM another recon has planted. Same goes for IDS, PDS etc.
They disappear themselves after the owner is dead and you pick up his kit, but they CAN NOT be removed by another person. That's a 100% guarantee

What you saw, was a coincidence. It accidentally disappeared just as you pressed G...

Yeah, I knew this, I just didn't outright say it. Thought it was implicit. Picking up a remote bomb you found lying around and stuffing it in your backpack for later use isn't exactly prudent.

**Guardianx11x** · 05-15-2008, 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by sights

1. You CAN'T remove the RDX or APM another recon has planted. Same goes for IDS, PDS etc.
They disappear themselves after the owner is dead and you pick up his kit, but they CAN NOT be removed by another person. That's a 100% guarantee

What you saw, was a coincidence. It accidentally disappeared just as you pressed G...

Half wrong...It turns out you can pick up RDX another recon has left as long as he was on your team. I do this quite often to keep pubbies from TKing me. Or to be jerk cause its faster than resupply.

2. When you shoot the RDX with a Zeller is the same as defusing it, that means no BOOM , that's why it's safer to shoot it , INSTEAD of defusing it.

Very wrong. As it turns out if RDX is on a passive object like level geometry...yea it will just blink out of existence. However, if you it is on a vehicle, beacon, otus, acceptor...or any other non-passive object. It will explode when you shoot it.

Also, the explosion from motion mines kills as well...awards the kill to the engineer though.

Grenades do not detonate RDX.

**sunnychu324** · 05-15-2008, 01:51 PM

Originally Posted by Guardianx11x

I suppose I should say my part.

The only time I ever shoot the body on purpose is with the zeller and I'm after two medics (only). First, I shoot the body of medic 1. Then I'll headshot medic 2. Finally, body shot medic 1 killing him. This only works with the zeller or else medic one can heal enough so that we wont be killed. This has a MUCH higher success rate than two head shots and is the only scenario I can think of that I intentionally go for the body.

wao, it will be hard for a 40-50% shooter like me especially with a zeller sniper that only have three shots...

**sights** · 05-15-2008, 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by Guardianx11x

Half wrong...It turns out you can pick up RDX another recon has left as long as he was on your team. I do this quite often to keep pubbies from TKing me. Or to be jerk cause its faster than resupply.

Very wrong. As it turns out if RDX is on a passive object like level geometry...yea it will just blink out of existence. However, if you it is on a vehicle, beacon, otus, acceptor...or any other non-passive object. It will explode when you shoot it.

Also, the explosion from motion mines kills as well...awards the kill to the engineer though.

Grenades do not detonate RDX.

1. Ugh yeah, you didn't read the whole thread now did you? Because Pred said that the recon was on the enemy team, so I wouldn't say that it is possible to take the RDX back...

2. I was talking about shooting the RDX and such, and the explosions I was talking about where the explosions that you would get by DETONATING THE RDX.

Translation : If I blow up the RDX by remote ISN'T the same as shooting it with Zeller, because the first explosion kills (duh) and the other one does not (it maybe inflicts minimum damage) .

Again, you didn't read the whole thread (not meaning any insult or disrespect, just pointing out that you didn't see the whole thread before you posted) ...

**Razcsak** · 05-15-2008, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by sights

2. I was talking about shooting the RDX and such, and the explosions I was talking about where the explosions that you would get by DETONATING THE RDX.

Translation : If I blow up the RDX by remote ISN'T the same as shooting it with Zeller, because the first explosion kills (duh) and the other one does not (it maybe inflicts minimum damage) .

You need to read a bit more carefully too. Shooting the RDX with the Zeller may lead to it exploding exactly like it would by remote. If the RDX is on a piece of level geometry, it will not explode when shot. If it is on a mobile object and is shot with a Zeller, it will explode exactly like if it was detonated by remote.

Guardian: You can pick up RDX dropped by your team, correct? Can you pick up RDX dropped by the enemy team if you are using a captured recon kit? Essentially, is the ability to pick up friendly RDX kit or character based?

**sights** · 05-15-2008, 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by Razcsak

You need to read a bit more carefully too. Shooting the RDX with the Zeller may lead to it exploding exactly like it would by remote. If the RDX is on a piece of level geometry, it will not explode when shot. If it is on a mobile object and is shot with a Zeller, it will explode exactly like if it was detonated by remote.

Guardian: You can pick up RDX dropped by your team, correct? Can you pick up RDX dropped by the enemy team if you are using a captured recon kit? Essentially, is the ability to pick up friendly RDX kit or character based?

No , you cannot pick up enemy soldiers RDX if you take his EXACT kit.

Sorry, I thought you were talking about placing RDX near choke points (as somebody mentioned) it CAN'T be detonated, removed yes, but detonated no.
And btw, I never saw that it CAN be detonated on a vehicle ???!! I think it can't , but if it can wooohoo!

**ThaDoctah** · 05-15-2008, 04:40 PM

Originally Posted by sights

No , you cannot pick up enemy soldiers RDX if you take his EXACT kit.

Of course you can, it just has to be the Recon kit that placed them there in the first place.

**pred011586** · 05-15-2008, 04:43 PM

Originally Posted by sights

1. Ugh yeah, you didn't read the whole thread now did you? Because Pred said that the recon was on the enemy team, so I wouldn't say that it is possible to take the RDX back...

It's not the player that has to be on your team. It's the kit that the RDX originated from.

When you pick up the kit that dropped the RDX, the kit becomes part of your team, and thus the RDX attached to your detonator become friendly RDX. Thus allowing you to pick them up.

Situation that works:

You're Support, you shottie a Recon, you pick up his kit, then pick up any RDX he dropped.

Situation that doesn't work:

You're Recon, you lay down all 5 of your RDX, you shoot down a Recon, you DON'T pick up his kit, now you CAN'T pick up his RDX.

Another Interesting Case Study :
If someone else from your team picks up that particular Recon kit, and you have your own, can YOU now go pick up the RDX? Never tested this one out myself.

I remember this working on either Suez Titan or Minsk Titan. As I haven't played a Conquest game of either of these maps in ages, lemme search through my Battlerecorder videos and see if I can find the scene in which I did this.

**ThaDoctah** · 05-15-2008, 04:57 PM

Originally Posted by pred011586

It's not the player that has to be on your team. It's the kit that the RDX originated from.

As far as my understanding goes, this is a correct statement.

Originally Posted by pred011586

Another Interesting Case Study :
If someone else from your team picks up that particular Recon kit, and you have your own, can YOU now go pick up the RDX? Never tested this one out myself.

You just stated that to pick up RDX, you have to be in possession of the kit it came from. So in this case YOU can't pick it up, but your teammate that picks up THAT PARTICULAR Recon kit can.

**ThaDoctah** · 05-15-2008, 05:02 PM

In retrospect I think we've gotten a little off-topic with all this RDX reclaiming shenanigans.

**Lorax74** · 05-15-2008, 05:08 PM

You can pick up YOUR rdx, not a teammate's.

Thread Tools

Display