Re: Countering the damn ROFLCOPTER

**Axis_Sniper** · 07-21-2009, 11:09 AM

Sorry if I am not stating the obvious, but 2 people seems like a much better idea, but not for the "less people = less tickets wasted" aspect, but more room for SLs to spawn in and spawn bomb the flag that needs the most help. 2 SLs spawning in the transport, telling the squads to hold spawn then dropping over the flag makes a pretty damn good idea, opinion-wise.

**Zoraster** · 07-21-2009, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by Axis_Sniper

Sorry if I am not stating the obvious, but 2 people seems like a much better idea, but not for the "less people = less tickets wasted" aspect, but more room for SLs to spawn in and spawn bomb the flag that needs the most help. 2 SLs spawning in the transport, telling the squads to hold spawn then dropping over the flag makes a pretty damn good idea, opinion-wise.

Now you're suggesting that the rofl waste TWO squad leaders on the rofl?

I guess that raises a question: do you feel that defending flags is a waste of a team's time?

**SharinganTH1422** · 07-21-2009, 11:45 AM

I think Axis is talking about Titan, where people can spawn into the moving transport and when silos (not tickets) are the objective, in which case that is not really valid since we very rarely play titan.

At least I hope that's what he's talking about.

**Axis_Sniper** · 07-21-2009, 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by Zoraster

Now you're suggesting that the rofl waste TWO squad leaders on the rofl?

I guess that raises a question: do you feel that defending flags is a waste of a team's time?

So you insult me for making a suggestion? You make assumptions on how I think? Please, stop acting like you are better than everyone and know everything there is to everything. This is one of the reasons I barely play 2142. People like you. If it isn't the way you want it, how you want it. You groan about how everyone is wrong, and make a big fuss.

Originally Posted by SharinganTH1422

I think Axis is talking about Titan, where people can spawn into the moving transport and when silos (not tickets) are the objective, in which case that is not really valid since we very rarely play titan.

At least I hope that's what he's talking about.

I was actually refering to Conquest. But he seems to get the impression that I want the SLs to sit in the transport until a flag goes nuetral. That is not what I want, I was thinking if a squad defending a flag gets wiped and it's about to go nuetral, he can spawn on the open transport for a quick drop onto the flag with the support of the "ROFLchopper".

**SharinganTH1422** · 07-21-2009, 12:26 PM

Ease up man, I don't see much insult in Zoraster's post.

Originally Posted by Axis_Sniper

I was actually refering to Conquest. But he seems to get the impression that I want the SLs to sit in the transport until a flag goes nuetral. That is not what I want, I was thinking if a squad defending a flag gets wiped and it's about to go nuetral, he can spawn on the open transport for a quick drop onto the flag with the support of the "ROFLchopper".

Sorry I don't fully get what you mean here, but I'll answer the 3 things you might be saying

If you mean that the ROFLCOPTER is separate to the squads and they spawn into the ROFL and then rush the flag, then I'm pretty sure you can't spawn into a transport unless it's Titan mode, but it's be a while so I could be wrong.

If you mean that the 2 soldiers would stay permanently in the ROFLCOPTER are 2 SLs, and they support their squads on the ground as an aggressive aerial spawn point, I guess this could be possible, but you'd need SL-SL channels and a lot of people on the same wavelength to pull something like this off, especially if here was a threat to each squad, which one would you prioritise? And besides, this wouldn't necessarily be a ROFLCOPTER anyway since ROFLCOPTERs fly around the map simply demolishing anything they fly over.

If you mean it's a temporary thing where the SLs simultaneously and spontaneously jump into a vacant transport and fly off to a flag, dropping their squads and becoming a temporary ROFLCOPTER...again, this would be very complicated.

**Axis_Sniper** · 07-21-2009, 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by SharinganTH1422

If you mean that the ROFLCOPTER is separate to the squads and they spawn into the ROFL and then rush the flag, then I'm pretty sure you can't spawn into a transport unless it's Titan mode, but it's be a while so I could be wrong.

I was actually referring to this, but I didn't know you couldn't spawn in the transport unless it was Titan. Even then, the SLs could spawn at main(Or some safe flag close to endangered flag) with coordinated efforts with the transport and fly to the neutral flag and drop in with the regular ROFLchopper squad covering them.

**LordKelvin** · 07-21-2009, 03:06 PM

We tried this on Sidi... we made a ground squad and an air squad. The air squad was a ROFLcopter that served as a permanent transport and gunning platform for the ground squad's movements. The transport moved with the ground squad, helping them accomplish the objectives.

Unfortunately, about half of us DCed early into the round so we didnt get to see how effective it would be really, but TS coordination is awesome and certainly doable.

**CTFalcon** · 07-26-2009, 02:49 AM

Easiest way is probably to stick a TV missile into it's side.

**ArmoredBear** · 07-26-2009, 05:29 AM

Originally Posted by CTFalcon

Easiest way is probably to stick a TV missile into it's side.

I think somewhere in this discussion it was decided the TV missile is the most effective to counter the roflcopter. As Lyramion says:

Originally Posted by Lyramion

During our very active Roflcopter times me and reaper often would go to TBG Suez Titan. Kinda insane choice if you know the best Gunship pilots frequent that server. There was no chance in hell to kill the good ones. Only to kill bad ones that didn´t use their TV or tried to solo Gunship.

Any time a roflcopter is on a TBG server, at some point there will be a TV missile heading its way and it usually doesn't miss. I can't tell you how many of TBG's gunship pilots have killed me with the TV missile while in dogfights.

**Greyed** · 07-26-2009, 07:10 AM

Easiest? I'd be ecstatic if I could get a gunship TV missile to hit a stationary tank or walker. If I were to actually hit a moving ROFL I'd log out and get into the first slot tournament I could find.

Speeder TVs I can aim, gunship TVs just replicate a sine wave.

**SharinganTH1422** · 07-26-2009, 08:09 AM

Originally Posted by Greyed

Easiest? I'd be ecstatic if I could get a gunship TV missile to hit a stationary tank or walker. If I were to actually hit a moving ROFL I'd log out and get into the first slot tournament I could find.

LoL, QFT, I once went pub gunshipping with some old TGer ages ago and he was a pretty awesome pilot and I was some noob gunner, he would literally hover over a piece of stationary armour for like 5-10 seconds and I still kept missing. You should've heard the awesomeness over VoIP when I finally hit something

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**Mixa** · 07-26-2009, 08:16 AM

Rofl is supposed to be stationary, in order to be most effective. Its bigger than tank and usually it is in straight line in front of you. So in most cases I'd say hitting Rofl is actually easier than hitting stationary tank / APC (which may make sudden movement at any point).

Also TV has higher change of bugging through the shields of the transport than tank for instance!

**LordKelvin** · 07-26-2009, 09:49 AM

Originally Posted by Mixa

Also TV has higher chance of bugging through the shields of the transport than tank for instance!

This bothers me. A lot. It doesn't have a 'higher chance' its more like every 8 out of 10 times it goes right through it.

**CTFalcon** · 07-26-2009, 01:35 PM

Tv'ing through shields is normally a product of angles. If you know the correct angles to hit a shielded target then you obviously have a much better chance of getting the missile through. Granted sometimes the shields just flat out fail, but most of the time you can predict if it'll go through or not.

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