Assault Rifle - Baur

RogueEidolon · 10-10-2008, 04:52 PM

I've been using the Baur since I unlocked it and had a few comments. If there's a thread on this weapon already, I apologize.

I find in most cases at the end of the round that I'm #1 when it comes to the Baur. This may be due to me being a good player and usually scoring high, but I rarely see a number above 10 in the number of players using it. Even on INF only maps. I was wondering why this is, then I realized that the Baur is extremely unwieldy and hard to learn at first, but, once mastered is more effective than any other assault weapon. At least, in my opinion. So here's a short list of what to keep in mind while using it.

1. Patience - It's a virtue, and it's necessary to use this weapon. You have to aim it, you only have 20 rounds in which to kill someone.
2. Aim for the head or chest - This should be self explanatory, these two areas inflict the most damage, and in most cases, if you shoot the chest, the recoil may hit the head on the second shot.
3. Fire in 2-round bursts - The Baur is a high-caliber weapon with high damage output. What this means is that on the third shot, you're fire will be wild. An exception to this rule is when the enemy is in short range (i.e. 20- meters).
4. Don't engage more than 2 opponents at once - If you're good (and lucky) you'll be able to take out two opponents with ease, but any more than that and you risk running out of ammo before you take down the third.
5. Get good with pistols - Given the small box of 20 rounds for the Baur, you should hone your pistol skills for those situations when the enemy is in short range and nearly dead from your previous fire. Pulling out your pistol is a lot faster than reloading, and if someone is switching to their primary, you have a good chance of taking them down. Shoot for the head!
6. Don't use single-shot unless the target is over 100 meters away - It is really tempting to use this weapon in the single-shot mode. My suggestion is to get used to the fire rate and simply use 2 round bursts instead, this way you're not at a disadvantage when someone flanks from behind and you're stuck on single mode.

EDIT: Single-shot mode is entirely at the discretion of the user. I would suggest messing around with the options until you find something comfortable for you. The more comfortable you are, the more effective you are.

If anyone wants to add or subtract from this list, feel free, I'm not the only expert on this gun. In fact, I'm probably not an expert, but I'm usually the best at it during rounds. I see a lot of people using the Voss, but I can tell you that the Baur beats the voss every time when you get out to 50 meters, a distance at which most engagements occur. The Voss is definitely user-friendly and I don't blame anyone for using it.

Thanks for reading. I hope this helped some of you become familiar with this great weapon!

-Rogue

Adaxa · 10-10-2008, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by RogueEidolon

6. Don't use single-shot unless the target is over 100 meters away - It is really tempting to use this weapon in the single-shot mode. My suggestion is to get used to the fire rate and simply use 2 round bursts instead, this way you're not at a disadvantage when someone flanks from behind and you're stuck on single mode.

I disagree with these points. Single-shot is how I usually use the Baur because, as you said, there are only 20 bullets. I only use auto when I know I'm about to enter a really tense area, but single shot is the default I use. Single shot is more accurate, and has less recoil, and uses less ammo.

What I'm trying to say is that the key to using the Baur is ammo conservation. With only 20 bullets, you are going to be reloading alot if you use full auto, and with single shot, you can keep using the Baur for longer.

But I guess it has to do with your play style. I bring the Herzog, since I use that as my CQC weapon.

Anyway, great writeup on the Baur. A key assault rifle in any squad.

RogueEidolon · 10-10-2008, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Adaxa

I disagree with these points. Single-shot is how I usually use the Baur because, as you said, there are only 20 bullets. I only use auto when I know I'm about to enter a really tense area, but single shot is the default I use. Single shot is more accurate, and has less recoil, and uses less ammo.

What I'm trying to say is that the key to using the Baur is ammo conservation. With only 20 bullets, you are going to be reloading alot if you use full auto, and with single shot, you can keep using the Baur for longer.

But I guess it has to do with your play style. I bring the Herzog, since I use that as my CQC weapon.

Anyway, great writeup on the Baur. A key assault rifle in any squad.

You know, you're right, the single-shot is definitely at the discretion of the user. If it fits your play style, go for it. I don't find it as effective personally, I like to throw as much damage down-range as possible. Usually, I have more than enough time to reload. I think this weapon is outstanding in that respect. I would guess that personally about 65% of the time, my second shot hits. I guess it boils down to how effective you are in either case. I'll revise it.

**draeh** · 10-10-2008, 05:08 PM

Previous discussions:

http://www.tacticalgamer.com/battlef...voss-baur.html

http://www.tacticalgamer.com/battlef...th-having.html

http://www.tacticalgamer.com/battlef...s-vs-baur.html

RogueEidolon · 10-10-2008, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by draeh

Previous discussions:

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These discussions are great, anyone interested in the Baur should definitely check them out. I'd really like anyone to feel free to add to this list though, I think we should have one on every weapon available for all newcomers to the game.

Thanks for the input Draeh!

Bomber · 10-10-2008, 05:32 PM

O.o You said baur wins every time at 50 m. All the guns are basically the same you find best shooting pattern that hits almost every shot with greatest speed, its just preference that sets it apart and skill that wins it, not the gun. You can search baur before starting this post too. As for getting good with the pistol, I would recommend herzog or getting better with the baur. You can just type baur into search upper right b4 making this post

<FHC]==0 HighNoon · 10-10-2008, 07:25 PM

I also disagree with the wide-spread concept that single-shot is the best way to have the Baur on. I will occasionally fire single bullets at a time, but this is something that can still be done while in fully-automatic mode. A little practice and you're much more versatile without having to switch back and forth between fire modes. Also, I've checked in empty rounds and it's really not very difficult to compensate for the recoil with two-round bursts and send both shots into the exact same place.

**Fall3n** · 10-10-2008, 11:50 PM

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If anyone wants to add or subtract from this list, feel free, I'm not the only expert on this gun. In fact, I'm probably not an expert, but I'm usually the best at it during rounds. I see a lot of people using the Voss, but I can tell you that the Baur beats the voss every time when you get out to 50 meters, a distance at which most engagements occur. The Voss is definitely user-friendly and I don't blame anyone for using it.

Hmm, I'm a Voss user and I see that concept being made as like a Perfect Voss shooter vs. a Perfect Baur shooter = Baur shooter wins...sure I understand that, but that's just like saying a Perfect Pilum shooter beats a Perfect Baur shooter. These are unrealistic variables in the situation and in the case that it is not realistic, therefore your conclusion is incorrect. I could just as easily say that a Voss beats a pistol any day of the week, but the player behind that Voss can't shoot worth beans or doesn't have any strategy by using cover etc, then that really doesn't matter does it? All that I'm saying is that you can't take and put in variables in a situation that doesn't exist to come to a conclusion (Unrealistic Variables = Unrealistic Conclusion).

RogueEidolon · 10-11-2008, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Fall3n

Hmm, I'm a Voss user and I see that concept being made as like a Perfect Voss shooter vs. a Perfect Baur shooter = Baur shooter wins...sure I understand that, but that's just like saying a Perfect Pilum shooter beats a Perfect Baur shooter. These are unrealistic variables in the situation and in the case that it is not realistic, therefore your conclusion is incorrect. I could just as easily say that a Voss beats a pistol any day of the week, but the player behind that Voss can't shoot worth beans or doesn't have any strategy by using cover etc, then that really doesn't matter does it? All that I'm saying is that you can't take and put in variables in a situation that doesn't exist to come to a conclusion (Unrealistic Variables = Unrealistic Conclusion).

Point conceded, that was a personal opinion, I'll take it out.

Edit: Hmm, it seems I can't edit the OP. Ah well.

RogueEidolon · 10-11-2008, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Bomber

O.o You said baur wins every time at 50 m. All the guns are basically the same you find best shooting pattern that hits almost every shot with greatest speed, its just preference that sets it apart and skill that wins it, not the gun. You can search baur before starting this post too. As for getting good with the pistol, I would recommend herzog or getting better with the baur. You can just type baur into search upper right b4 making this post

Bomber, I get it, but please don't be so visceral. I didn't mean any offense. Also, after posting I did look at the forums but found no comprehensive list. This may save people time. I concur about the hezrog, but if you have a rocket loadout and are still med, there won't be a hezrog. Being a good shot with the pistol always helps.

**Tarenth** · 10-12-2008, 01:28 AM

The Baur is not any better, nor any worse, than any other AR. It will act, however, similar to how the Zellar will for snipers over the stock rifle. Since you have less ammo you'll start pacing yourself more in taking your shots and as a concequence improve your shooting attitude and demeaner.

A few things of note about the Baur.

1) It has the LOWEST side movement deviation of all the assault rifles. This means if you like to circle strafe or bounce back and forth like you were playing Quake or Unreal then this is the rifle for you. Its the best rifle to use evasive manuvers and still reliably hit the target. By the numbers Baur strafe deviations 0.03, Scar strafe deviation 0.04, Krylov strafe deviation 0.05, and Voss strafe deviation 0.10

2) Its damage is actually quite similar to the other Assault rifles, but it has a heavier deviation per shot. Cold fire it is roughly 10% more accurate than the other rifles, but there is a 1s 'cooldown' period between each shots to return to that figure. The numbers for the Baur are 22 damage at 70 yards and around 34 at under 40. The numbers for the Voss are 20 damage at 65 yards and 25 at under 40. The baur has a longer 'maximum range' of 5 yards, but that difference equates to 1 extra point of damage. At close quarters (under 40 yards max damage) with light armor (10% damage reduction) the Baur will do 29 (-3) points while the Voss will do 23 (-2). That's a whooping difference of 6 points of damage.

As a comparison the Krylov (PAC) is 35-70 yards 20-27 damage and the Scar (EU) is 35-65 yards 20-29 damage.

3) It has the fastest reload time of all the rifles and this, coincidentally, carries over to the secondary fire features of the rockets and herzog shotgun. The Baur has a 3 second reload time while all the other rifles clock in at 3.9 seconds meaning you can fire more rounds roughly 1 second faster than your opponent can.

Personally I don't like the Baur. It just feels clunky in my hands for some reason but then again I've used the Voss like an oversized automatic pistol to out gun people in close quarters with single shot. Its the 1 second cool off period between shots that throws me when I place my shots. Without waiting the full second for the sights to realign I might as well point straight up and fire for all the chances I have of hitting someone.

Seriously, I was at toll station one night when a full squad of 6 came bearing down on my position where I unfortunately poached an assault kit with the baur in it. Aiming down the sights and targeting the first person in a CROWD before unloading the whole clip the number of kills I got was 0 and maybe 5-6 hits spread out amongst all of them. Whereas with the Voss I'd kill at least 2-3 as my deviation spread from the middle before running out of ammo. In such a situation I may as well whip out my pistol or knife and get 1-2 kills out of it.

FeralShadow · 10-12-2008, 01:50 AM

Tarenth, reguarding the voss, I'm in the same boat as you. Find a group of people, mow down a few of them, if not all. With the Baur.. might as well toss a grenade. I just dont know what it is, but like you said.. it feels clunky. Maybe it's the one second pacing that I don't have right. I'm markedly better with the Voss, being in the top 5 every round with that gun, and being very low with the Baur. But.. I am going to practice with the Baur so hopefully it'll get better.. Especially reading all these tips.

-Feral

**Fall3n** · 10-12-2008, 02:07 AM

Don't worry Rogue as I hope you're not taking some of these replies personally. Honestly, I like to be the devils advocate in this kind of situation so it's good to see all points of view. But I believe the conclusion is that all weapons have their pros and cons. Additionally, it's how a player capitalizes on the pros of his chosen weapon and how he exploits the cons of the enemies weapon that makes him successful.

RogueEidolon · 10-12-2008, 03:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Fall3n

Don't worry Rogue as I hope you're not taking some of these replies personally. Honestly, I like to be the devils advocate in this kind of situation so it's good to see all points of view. But I believe the conclusion is that all weapons have their pros and cons. Additionally, it's how a player capitalizes on the pros of his chosen weapon and how he exploits the cons of the enemies weapon that makes him successful.

Yeah I discussed that with Bomber, I misinterpreted his tone. Damn internets!

<FHC]==0 HighNoon · 10-12-2008, 07:09 AM

Tarenth, it's quite simple to not wait for that 1 second of sight re-alignment by simply growing accustomed to the Baur's recoil. If you keep your firing to quick 2-shot bursts and adjust for recoil, the shots are incredibly accurate.

Although I must say, having played around with it a bit more recently with the express purpose of comparing single shot vs. full auto, SS does seem to be far more accurate and allows for fewer bullets to be fired per kill. Oddly enough, I kill faster with single shot at medium engagement ranges (20-40 meters) than with full-auto. Even at ranges of 10 meters, single-shot lethality is pretty high if you have the clicking-speed.