Re: Weak point on the APC?

**Lorax74** · 12-23-2008, 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by P.Stringer

<<oh and say im driving an APC and an FAV zooms up in front i presume i am allowed to alter course to mow them over?>>

I thought you knew the rules?

The answer is no, you may not "mow them over".

**P.Stringer** · 12-23-2008, 12:28 PM

i know the rules.. [[ as they are outlined in all the must read posts upon joining,]]
i ment it as in say there going to glance me regardless, a tweak on the controles from an APC or tank shouldnt count as a ram if its there momentum putting them in danger, im not talking im gona park in front of them. i mean im driving in a line, they come from directly in front skirting a corner, putting them like 1 degrees from the front of my APC

besides which i have had it dont/seen/done it myself i was merely attempting to clarify.

**Lorax74** · 12-23-2008, 12:41 PM

Originally Posted by P.Stringer

i know the rules.. [[ as they are outlined in all the must read posts upon joining,]]
i ment it as in say there going to glance me regardless, a tweak on the controles from an APC or tank shouldnt count as a ram if its there momentum putting them in danger, im not talking im gona park in front of them. i mean im driving in a line, they come from directly in front skirting a corner, putting them like 1 degrees from the front of my APC

besides which i have had it dont/seen/done it myself i was merely attempting to clarify.

Seems to me like you're trying to find ways to skirt the rules. I suggest you stop trying to justify the "what ifs".

**P.Stringer** · 12-23-2008, 01:04 PM

Seems to me like you're trying to find ways to skirt the rules. I suggest you stop trying to justify the "what ifs".

perhaps you should look at the fact my advice was strictly for the what ifs>? instead of justifying a mistunderstanding of intentions so you can tell me off >_>

your either having a bad day, dont like me or my way of talking very much or im not explaining myself correctly, im not skirting the rules i simply said the wrong word. forget i asked ok i realy cant be bothered arguing on the finer points of ramming definition, come in game drive an FAV into my tracks and wel discuss it there, and u can decide for yourself whether me twitching so u have to either stop or die is called ramming. i realy cant explain it well short of showing you and you dont seem to feel the light hearted nature of my tips in any way shape or form that would let you benifit from an explination unless it comes from you doing it to somone else.

hit me in game and il show u what i mean, it realy is too hard to explain to somone who cant get it from the decription i gave :P you realy do have to see it to understand either that or your being difficult for the sake of being difficult.

-pete-

ps: i dont like being accused of skirting rules dont put ANY emphasis on wht i say unless your 100% you know what im saying. FYI in this case you arent most likely because i havent explained myself correctly, please show some leinience in interpreting what im typing as im at work and dont have time to proof read =]

pps: i leave bits out, reading back i see in my scatty ness i didnt effectivly clarify originaly that it was if there ontop of you this is what you do, reading it in my own way of talking it make sence however im british and dont always say everyword if im streamin an idea so it doesnt translate to text very well.

any further probs feel free to pm me or send me an offline msn message/email ect and il get back to you promptly,

**Zack** · 12-23-2008, 01:23 PM

I feel like if you were being rushed by an fav (especially Jihaders on other servers XP), you'd want to switch to the second seat and mortar or even emp them. One hit kill/paralysis, three people NEVER coming back, no damage to your apc.

That's how I roll.

**DrakenViator** · 12-23-2008, 03:05 PM

Keep in mind there is a HUGE difference between intention rams and accidents. If you are in an APC and a FAV comes streaking around the corner, with little to no time to react, that is an accident. Lets face it stuff happens. The moment you steer into it (even only 1 or 2 degrees) then it is a ram, and can get you into trouble. In sort avoid it if you can.

Now yes in close tank combat there is an almost overwhelming urge to pull point blank and 'sumo' as you put it. The best advice is to never let it get close range. Tanks and APC are better at range. The best use I've seen of an APC was on Belgrade during the |TG| vs TTP scrim. The APC stayed at statue the whole round shelling, ruins, com, and playground, as well as assisting on the main road. It was 32 vs 32 full scale, and the APC mortar racked up 65 kills, and NUMEROUS assists, the APC driver also racked up 16 kills and more 'driver bonuses' then I care to count.

The point is that the APC stayed back and used it's range against the enemy. It made it hard to kill, yet provided maximum fire power when needed. If used with range in mind the APC is a force to be reckoned with. But 90% of drivers fling it head first into combat and it explodes almost instantly.

I know this thread is about weak points in the APC, so take this as few tips on how to protect your APC from it's weaknesses. The APC is a ranged weapon, up close it is a death trap. At a distance it is a VERY powerful tool.

~ Draken

**pred011586** · 12-23-2008, 03:55 PM

Stringer I made this case before so let me speak from experience.

The rule for no intentional ramming has nothing to whether ramming in that situation is tactical or not. Anybody knows the reasons behind that rule knows that ramming in that situation is definately tactical. The problem is not in the ramming being "cheap" but in the hightened difficulty in administrating the server if ramming became a gray area.

I agree with you 100% on the fact that ramming tanks from the side gives a huge tactical advantage for the rammer, and should not be considered a cheap tactic by any means. PAC ramming EU allows for PAC to easily slide over to get a shot at EU's back. EU ramming PAC completely disables PAC's ability to fight back. Both tactically sound and with a squad backing you up from enemy engineers is a legitimate tactic, however because if this is allowed ramming becomes a gray area, and because of the way the server is moderated, this would cause way too many problems for the admins who have to deal with moderating the server.

I made a very detailed case on why I think this should be allowed, if you want more information about why it isn't, PM me and I'll give you a more detailed explaination as to why it's not allowed on the server.

And for the record, after hearing the admin's side of the issue, and why the rule's in place, I understood where the rule comes from. One problem that came up when I braught this up publicly was that I was lead to believe that the rule was in place because it was considered cheap, which made me explode and start a bit of a rant on it. Turns out that's not the reason why. If you're not convinced, PM me and I'll give you a better explanation in private.

**Lorax74** · 12-23-2008, 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by P.Stringer

perhaps you should look at the fact my advice was strictly for the what ifs>? instead of justifying a mistunderstanding of intentions so you can tell me off >_>

Ramming is against the rules, that is a given. So any tactic that utilizes ramming, whether planned or spur of the moment, is still ramming. And I'm not telling you off, I'm telling you how it is.

please show some leinience in interpreting what im typing as im at work and dont have time to proof read

Many of us post from work, as much as it behooves our employers, and we find the time to proof read what we write not only to ensure that our point is well made and logical, but also for spelling, punctuation and general grammar. Take the time or wait until you have the time, it's well worth it in the end.

**LordKelvin** · 12-23-2008, 04:23 PM

Use each vehicle as it was intended to be used, and treat every situation as a simulation of a real battlefield. You can't go wrong.

I use a tank like a tank. I run over people and FAVs that stray too close, and shoot at everything else. I step on things with the walker, if they get too close. In all cases, I use common sense and remain true to a simulation environment while being fair. That's what gaming 2142 at TG is about, and that's how I play.

**jazy2** · 12-24-2008, 11:11 AM

Originally Posted by LordKelvin

...................... I run over people and FAVs that stray too close, and shoot at everything else.................

I'm sure you mean block the FAV rather than ram... am I correct?

**LordKelvin** · 12-24-2008, 12:20 PM

Well yes, I move to block it's path. That generally results in the FAV going *crunch* and my tank taking no damage. I also run over engineers trying to get behind me rather than shooting them. Saves ammo and time trying to hit someone inside the range of the main cannon. There's nothing wrong with that.

**Bucklin** · 12-26-2008, 04:59 AM

I am pretty sure, but not 100% sure, that the area behind the wheels is a one hit kill, but it's essentially impossible with a Pilum and still very difficult with the guided missiles. Also, I believe I have one hit killed an APC with a guided missile that I steered under and then up into its belly, but it may have been already injured some small amount. I may pull up the editor later and check the numbers out.

**Birdman1011395** · 12-29-2008, 10:35 PM

Just seeing this thread fills me with the urge to defe-, err, post a full break down of the damages, but I won't bother. The main point I must reitierate is that there are no one hit kills for an APC. I have never been able to reproduce one, and I have tried, extensively. The best we lowly infantry have is a shot doing 66 to the rear, lower vent-thingy(I know PAC doesn't have a vent, but its in the same area :P) WITH the Pilum, the Defaults only do 58.

The bottom and the top of the APC are both treated as the "sides", just like the entirety of the wheels. Also, I do find the attack from under to be a bit silly, namely because I always seemed to blow myself up with the first shot.

**J0hn5on** · 12-30-2008, 11:42 AM

In my experiences, Ive always gotten a one-shot kill when i get a pilum into the rear plating. No where else, just some where in the back. Same with tanks.

**Reaperassault** · 12-30-2008, 01:26 PM

its impossible to 1 hit an APC unless you would like to make a video of you doing it (not trying to be mean, its just this is getting a bit old now).

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