The importance of Recon

**SithJedi** · 01-20-2008, 01:44 AM

Everytime I play with you amazing people with skills that blow even my best plans out of the water, I see that you guys never feel that Recon is important to any round.
Whenever, I am looking through my scope most of the squads don't even have one sniper which is bad.

A recon soldier is very important to any squad but people these days sterotype them as over-anxious RdX throwers or loners whom I despise and try my best to avoid. A good team recon soldier is alot of help and we recons can see better as we are watching your backs.

I was playing on the server about two hours ago and I was doing the best I could as a Recon. It's much harder you know to team-play a indivdualistic class. I was speaking over VOIP mapping enemies they could not see. I was on top of the commander center, painting enemys and pinning down enemy soldiers entering the area. Later I was covering my squad as they attacked the road-block area. I also snuck behind enemy-lines and destroyed the commander assets which does a massive effect on the battle(NO orbital, scan, uav and emp support)

Sniper or special ops ain't bad to have on your side. You can trust me to be a team-player and not a loner(which makes Battlefield 2142 a signifcantly worse game).

All I ask is some consideration into taking recon as a class during the game.

**Damonte** · 01-20-2008, 02:26 AM

Point of clarification, there is a different between a recon soldier and a sniper soldier.

A sniper is, as you described, an individualistic class. If a sniper goes down (usually due to PK-74 rockets), there is often no one around them to revive them. That results in a lost ticket.

A recon, is a valuable asset to a squad. Especially on Cerbere Landing, there is great value in having a recon tag along with the squad. Note, tag along means stick with the squad and not trail at a distance.

However, there are many maps where a recon unit is of significantly less value. In Tunis Harbor the worst a recon may do is irritate a good squad. Surely even a good recon will be able to take down one or two enemy soldiers, but it takes merely a second or two for that solider to be revived. No ticket is lost, nothing is gained or lost. Once the recon is spotted, PK rockets will most likely be their undoing.

Belgrade? Little Tunis? Suez Canal? How does a sniper truly help? As a squad leader, Damonte may request a recon unit, but unless that individual was known to be above and beyond effective with the sniper rifle, they'd better be packing a Lambert carbine for close quarters combat.

In many situations, the loss of a solider with a defib does not out-weigh the gains of what a recon can provide. The time it takes to swap kits with a downed soldier to revive them may also be the undoing of the recon.

Guardian may be able to provide more clarification on this point.

These are the personal opinions of Damonte.

**Anospa** · 01-20-2008, 04:56 AM

Actually Damonte, Guardian and I are going to be doing a sniper writeup sometime soon. It was started sometime ago, but lost steam when Guardian was on leave, but will be back on track soon.

As for myself, I've always, and will always have recon as my favorite kit. Sadly, the game is played so fast that the majority of the time, an assault soldier is just a bit more useful in a squad. I jump at any opportunity to play recon more if a SL allows it and seems like the squad wouldn't lose the power of one less assault soldier.

**MDFubar** · 01-20-2008, 11:38 AM

I have an issue and maybe you can clarify this. You stated that you are a team player and not a loner, nut in the paragraph aove you steted that you snuck behind enemy lines and destroyed assets. Although destroying assests is a good thing, where was you squad? Where you by yourself? Where you following orders from your SL? How did you resupply?(because we all know that you do not have enough RDX to do the job without a resupply)
As you answer these questions you may understand better why most SL's do not often ask nor permit it to be carried in thier squad.

**SithJedi** · 01-20-2008, 12:19 PM

I was with my squad. I was not following orders from my SL because I believe that Recons have two ways of following orders: Situational(What is going on right now) and long-term(what you expect to happen in a match).

**Azura** · 01-20-2008, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by SithJedi

I was with my squad. I was not following orders from my SL because I believe that Recons have two ways of following orders: Situational(What is going on right now) and long-term(what you expect to happen in a match).

You got to remember, always follow your SquadLeaders orders, if he gives you an order to take out the assets, go find your own route if possible. But most SquadLeaders aren't stupid and give certain orders for a reason. There is always room to set personal goals on the battlefield, but got to take into account your squad!

The most annoying thing ever, is when you get players who go recon with the Lambert, and you tell them to go medic. They refuse to because they like the Lambert better. Why join a squad thats about teamwork and goals when you are going to run around and not help, then get mad when you're kicked?

**Specterr** · 01-20-2008, 01:12 PM

I enjoy playing recon, it's a nice change from assualt, but there is no doubt (IMO) that the assualt kit is more squad friendly 95% of the time.

**Icehawk217** · 01-20-2008, 01:24 PM

Originally Posted by Damonte

A recon, is a valuable asset to a squad. Especially on Cerbere Landing, there is great value in having a recon tag along with the squad. Note, tag along means stick with the squad and not trail at a distance.

Why is a recon useful on Cerebere in particular?

And i think you can do without recons most of the time. A good situation is being the commander in a cappable back base (like Cerebere). You can rig the base in case the inevitable FAV rush happens. While it likely wont kill the whole squad, it still slows them down.

But the best use is in cloaking runs trying to get a SL behind the enemy line. Other than that id prefer a permanent engineer or second support guy.

**MDFubar** · 01-20-2008, 01:39 PM

Originally Posted by SithJedi

I was with my squad. I was not following orders from my SL because I believe that Recons have two ways of following orders: Situational(What is going on right now) and long-term(what you expect to happen in a match).

Agian, you can see where this is going. You WHERE with your squad behind enemy lines destroying assets? So the entire squad was behind enemy lines, correct? This is fine, I am just trying to picture the scenario. The opinion that I have is that you broke off and went behind the lines to destroy assests. That is how I understood the post, if that is wrong please clarify.
If we take the enemy's main, then I will ask someone to come in recon and take out the assets. I have formed squads in the past that where specifically set up for assest destruction. But, as I told someone last night, bring the kit I ask for or find another squad.

**Zhohar** · 01-20-2008, 02:19 PM

Originally Posted by Icehawk217

Why is a recon useful on Cerebere in particular?

A forward rush by the PAC that bypasses the chokepoints at Church and Office Ruins will allow six people to be on Command Centre within minutes. A recon SM is fairly important at this point in order to cripple the CO's UAV and OS assets. If done properly, the enemy CO will have a much harder job of drumming up a proper defense for such an important flag.

**Bagheera** · 01-20-2008, 02:43 PM

Recon is the most difficult class to play well. A squad sniper recon, is even more difficult.

More than likely, 1% of recon players can play the sniper recon well, with a squad. The other 99% are just fooling themselves, and hurting their team.

I play recon sniper most of the time, and even then, there are certain times on certain maps when I play other kits, due to the situation. I only switch to recon sniper when there's a tactical reason for it, or start with the kit for a very good tactical reason. Most importantly, only only only play recon sniper if you personally are an asset to your squad and objective, for that particular time and place. However, the sad part is that the recon sniper kit draws solo players who think they're Tom Beringer, or Vassili Zaitsef, and those are the people I pick off with ease as I travel with my squad towards our objective.

**SithJedi** · 01-20-2008, 04:59 PM

Originally Posted by Bagheera

Recon is the most difficult class to play well. A squad sniper recon, is even more difficult.

More than likely, 1% of recon players can play the sniper recon well, with a squad. The other 99% are just fooling themselves, and hurting their team.

I play recon sniper most of the time, and even then, there are certain times on certain maps when I play other kits, due to the situation. I only switch to recon sniper when there's a tactical reason for it, or start with the kit for a very good tactical reason. Most importantly, only only only play recon sniper if you personally are an asset to your squad and objective, for that particular time and place. However, the sad part is that the recon sniper kit draws solo players who think they're Tom Beringer, or Vassili Zaitsef, and those are the people I pick off with ease as I travel with my squad towards our objective.

You won't be able to do that with me. I hardly ever die as a recon soldier and they always try to get until their head falls to the ground. I always wait paiently to make a good shot. When I am spec-ops, I like placing traps at flags. Several rounds, I will place rdx around stragetic flags and accompany my squad leader as he moves to the next objective. If hat flag falls, I immediately switch to my detonaer and frequently kills upwards to 4 soldiers.

Comon guys you have seen how good I am at recon

**Razcsak** · 01-20-2008, 06:22 PM

Originally Posted by Bagheera

However, the sad part is that the recon sniper kit draws solo players who think they're Tom Beringer, or Vassili Zaitsef, and those are the people I pick off with ease as I travel with my squad towards our objective.

Now if only it'd draw people who actually were as good as Simo Hayha.

**Freeboter** · 01-20-2008, 08:36 PM

lately I have only been using the recon kit to blow alot of people up. You can really lock down that north corridor on Berlin.

**Adaxa** · 01-20-2008, 08:49 PM

I remember this one time on Berlin when my SL was trying to cross enemy lines with recon. Unfortunately, he was crushed by an APC's wheels. The game went downhill shortly thereafter...

Anyway, I believe that recons should be used by an SL to place a stealth beacon, or a SM to destroy assets.

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