Mercenary90

Why the thighs? Don't leg shots do the least damage?

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pred011586

I believe the thigh area is the bottom of the torso hitbox. By aiming low, your recoiled shots will remain in the torso hitbox.

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Mixa

It takes even longer than with voss if try to get headshots with baur at high range, it is true though that brust-fire is useful, I never tend to use it as baur is much better when you have surprise, and taking 3-4 brust fire shot on your target will get you killed pretty fast IMO.

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Reaperassault

nope the thighs have less armor and take more damage than the armored torso, below the knees the damage drops off

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LogicalHarm

I'm not sure I understand. If you're not using the Baur with burst-fire, then you're not using it correctly in my opinion. In fact, I'd say that if you're not using any assault rifle with burst fire then you're not using it correctly.

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pred011586

Once again, something I didn't know, I always assumed the hitboxes where head, torso (shoulders to pelvis), legs, and arms, and that armor just protected the torso hitbox.

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Mixa

I use burst fire at some points really tiny amounts, but I tend to miss alot. On the other hand I never use semi fire as I find it even more useless.
Why I neglect baur burst and semi-fire is that I end up having my target running away with 10health and then getting rocket barrage into my face. I use baur so that my foe has no time to shoot back, not to weaken him.

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The Picric Hamster

Thank you all for your thoughts.

I agree with Mixa, to a point. I've had many experiences where I had the advantage at the beginning of the engagement, putting lead on-target with fire discipline. The shots are going into my target's upper torso and head, and all he does is spin around in a 360, hold the trigger down like it's an arcade game, and I'm dead.

To add insult to injury, I usually pull off Hail Mary shots when I'm in a "to hell with it" mood, and I'm holding the trigger down as hard as I can. But it never happens when I try.

I find myself completely agreeing with Mixa at the end of my post. :P

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<FHC]==0 HighNoon

Pretty sure the "let the recoil walk up to the head" thing is a myth. I mean, Baur recoil goes slightly to the right anyways and unless your target is staying completely stationary the hitboxes wouldn't register it properly anyway.

I can't remember who said it earlier but stationary targets or only-head-exposed targets are the only times headshots are worthwhile for mere mortals.

As an aside, I would be interested in hearing more information about how the hitboxes in the game work. The impression I get is they're most accurate when you have 100 ping.

Interesting note about the leg shots as well. I'm curious, is it a superior target even for players that don't have heavy armor equipped?

FL1Pmode

Honestly where are you getting your information from? The recoil thing has been proven over and over again that your rifle shoots upward overtime due to recoil (this is especially true for the Baur and it goes upwards, not to the right).

Also since the dawn of multiplayer gaming, lower ping is better. Ask anyone who plays with ~100 ping and they will surely tell you that their ping is sometimes detrimental to their game.

Most TG-ers wear light armor because of how important it is to teamwork and being able to move from flag to flag. Even if they have heavy armor, shooters will still have more success aiming at the chest.

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I can't remember if it was here or on the TWL forums. I don't think it's really been "proven" at all unless I can see a video of the walk-up-a-target technique working on a moving target. I've never really seen any examples myself that would "prove" it at all. Think about it. The accuracy only moves your shots up a very precise amount, that means it would only move up a uniform distance if you engaged all your targets at the same distance OR if your aim were accurate enough to place it at different points on your target depending on the distance which isn't really going to happen in the middle of combat. I'm sure many people will disagree with me on this one though just because it's such a stubborn myth, but... think about it. All that coupled with the wonky hitboxes just makes it seem far too unrealistic a technique to pull off.

Gaming has changed quite a bit since the dawn of gaming so I don't really think that's a pertinent argument. With that said I recall being told the netcode was optimized for a ping of 100 and when I play on 100-ping servers I rarely notice any more lag than on servers where I have half the ping. This is something I don't have a full understanding of though, so if it's wrong that's fine. I was just putting it out there for confirmation or denial.

As for your final comment, I'm aware that light armour is the predominant choice which is why I expressed some confusion as to why aiming at the thighs would be any more beneficial as per reaperassault's statement which it seems you have missed.

Berlancic

Aiming for the head should be practised in close quarters situations (it's what some real-life military training incorporates). However, at longer ranges it is ineffective, as you'll spend time aiming for the small object which is your enemies head and probably missing several times because the assault rifle doesn't have pinpoint accuracy.

I have seen myself (when I get the problem with connection on screen and when I'm just about to shoot an enemy) have the aimpoint at about the enemies stomach/hips.

I don't think you should practise popping people's heads (that is actually aiming for the head), but instead try and practise and get yourself into a mentality to aim for the upper-torso near the neck. This deals more damage but also if you let the recoil kick up, a bullet will most likely land in the persons face (i.e. head). But don't rely on the recoil, because some recoil of assault rifles doesn't go straight up, but slightly to the right or left (example: Voss).

Or just aim for centre mass, after all, it kills the enemy, and that's what is important.

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flik2142

I aim for the body, I don't really care where as long as they die before I do. As Zhohar pointed out earlier, he starts hitting the head/neck areas when on form. I find that when i'm playing well I also notice that the enemy is dying faster, but I don't think it's me actively looking for those hit boxes, but controlling the recoil better and shifting the aim back to target becomes a pretty unconcious thought and thus i'm just getting more shots on target.

I tend to agree with Mixa as well about burst/full fire. I like to keep the trigger down until the enemy is dead - I think i've got enough control of the recoil to manage this and I tend to get good results. Even at long range I find I can operate in this way although if I'm not having success quickly I will start burst firing.

Sometimes with burst fire I find that you start to get a feeling for how quickly people will go down. And I might kill 2 with a controlled burst and then a third with the same but find he's still alive with low health and I'm already thinking about next target or moving. He ends up killing me. This is likely poor gameplay and shooting on my part but has led me to wanting to keep the trigger down until I know for sure they are dead.

I do wonder what the average accuracy is for players with assault weapons, I'm guessing around the 25% mark - though if this takes into account rocket accuracy then it probably doesn't represent a true value. Still 1 in 4 bullets hitting the target does seem a pretty low figure now I think on it.

I've heard some people improve their accuracy by practicing with a ClanMod? Has anyone here had any experience of this, what does it do?

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Berlancic

It's quite dependant on the type of rifle, I know from experience with the baur and by simply comparing leaderboard statistics that players who use the Baur have much better accuracy than those who use a Voss.

Actually, I correct my first statement, the player is what most of the accuracy comes from.

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<FHC]==0 HighNoon

While that may be the case, I don't think the statistic is really applicable because the Voss is going to be used in heated close-combat situations where getting the first shots off is far more important than getting every shot to hit, and also where a relatively small movement of the opponent crosses a large distance of your screen.

Also, with regards to what flik2142 said, I too have noticed that my opponents go down far faster when I'm having a particularly good round, though I attribute this less to my own improvement and rather a more consistent ping which lessens ghosted shots. The rounds I do poorly in are usually characterised by me hitting the opponent 5+ times with no serverside recognition.