The Baur. - Page 6

TheDarkPenguin · 05-22-2009, 09:31 AM

Baur is the best Close Quarters gun you can have (minus Clark) if it is in the right hands.

**Crux** · 05-22-2009, 09:38 AM

Your mind is the best close quarters weapon in the game. You just need to learn to use it properly.

SharinganTH1422 · 05-22-2009, 09:49 AM

True. However my main point is that these 2 players in particular at TG I've played with often (haven't played much with regular TGers, since when I did play I never got on at main traffic times due to my location, so I played with Zhohar often earlier in the day, and I played with Azura...just somehow a lot) use this weapon to great effect, and I don't see how they could possibly do what they do with the lack of bullets in the Baur, and it's superior RoF in CQ. Since long range is purely rockets and at mid-range I find both weapons around equal since they have different strengths and weaknesses that each weigh-out if you know how to use them right, it's at short range where the decidingly big difference is for me.

In terms of my personal way of playing, I seek Close quarters engagements as much as possible on TG servers, not because I'm any good at it, but (...and I know I go on and on about my crappy computer, but I promise you I couldn't even get a keyring and a bag of cow dung for it...) since I have such bad FPS I cannot hope to think about being effective when I aim properly at mid ranges anyway. Spraying at unmissable range is the name of my game on TG servers, since it doesn't require aiming finesse I don't have, however off of TG servers and on more local servers with 24 players etc. I can usually engage targets with much more precision. My K/D actually stopped progressing and I think probably went down a bit when I started regularly playing at TG, but I really couldn't go back to just shooting at moving targets again all day.

But good luck to those who have mastered the recoil and can be effect at close range with the Baur.

**Crux** · 05-22-2009, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by SharinganTH1422

True. However my main point is that these 2 players in particular at TG I've played with often (haven't played much with regular TGers, since when I did play I never got on at main traffic times due to my location, so I played with Zhohar often earlier in the day, and I played with Azura...just somehow a lot) use this weapon to great effect, and I don't see how they could possibly do what they do with the lack of bullets in the Baur, and it's superior RoF in CQ.

What if I told you I do as well or better than each of them and frequently use the Baur? Like I said above, if the assault rifle you're using makes a difference then you're doing it wrong.

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In terms of my personal way of playing, I seek Close quarters engagements as much as possible on TG servers, not because I'm any good at it, but (...and I know I go on and on about my crappy computer, but I promise you I couldn't even get a keyring and a bag of cow dung for it...) since I have such bad FPS I cannot hope to think about being effective when I aim properly at mid ranges anyway. Spraying at unmissable range is the name of my game on TG servers, since it doesn't require aiming finesse I don't have, however off of TG servers and on more local servers with 24 players etc. I can usually engage targets with much more precision. My K/D actually stopped progressing and I think probably went down a bit when I started regularly playing at TG, but I really couldn't go back to just shooting at moving targets again all day.

But good luck to those who have mastered the recoil and can be effect at close range with the Baur.

Honestly if this is how you play with poor fps then you are going about it entirely the wrong way. If I had crappy fps, I would go out of my way to avoid CQB battles. I would always be looking to engage at mid-long range with rockets and grenades where-ever possible. Conversely, and this isn't advice I'd give to very many people, I'd consider spending some serious time with the Clark RDX and mastering it. Then ammo never becomes a problem, you could avoid close quarters fights and try to be effective in a different manner.

SharinganTH1422 · 05-22-2009, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Crux

What if I told you I do as well or better than each of them and frequently use the Baur? Like I said above, if the assault rifle you're using makes a difference then you're doing it wrong.

I'd say Crux, YOU RULE DUDE!!!

Seriously I'd love to play a few rounds with you some day, but I really just cannot make the Baur work effectively that way for me, and believe me I've tried because it is very pretty, and it sounds like a freaking Ganz.

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Originally Posted by Crux

Honestly if this is how you play with poor fps then you are going about it entirely the wrong way. If I had crappy fps, I would go out of my way to avoid CQB battles. I would always be looking to engage at mid-long range with rockets and grenades where-ever possible. Conversely, and this isn't advice I'd give to very many people, I'd consider spending some serious time with the Clark RDX and mastering it. Then ammo never becomes a problem, you could avoid close quarters fights and try to be effective in a different manner.

An interesting thought, rockets and (to a slightly lesser extent) grenades are one of the few things I can use effectively (I hope) but as I said I really cannot hope to shoot straight enough to be damaging at mid range with any of the primary weapons in the game. Seriously, have you ever tried adjusting your aim on a slideshow? God has sent me to tell you that it ain't easy. I'm usually running around with my defib in a firefight anyway, but if it gets to the time where I have to shoot, I find the Voss to be more successful for me.

**LogicalHarm** · 05-22-2009, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by SharinganTH1422

Because the 2 best players I've played with at TG for more than just a few rounds - Zhohar and Azura - have both used the Voss and I've seen them both consistently mow down multiple enemies right in the midst of the chaos of the frontline. When I see someone do what they do with a Baur, I'll consider using it more.

Jump on the server with Mr r.k L.E.H.F and Sidious and you'll have your proof.

I'm not sure why we're having the argument. People can obviously use each weapon. It doesn't come down to mere stats and firing rates and damage per second. If you like a weapon and you can make it effective then use it.

Caronbot · 05-22-2009, 11:38 AM

I tried really hard to use the Baur, but it just isn't for me. I've encountered a lot of players that are simply LETHAL with the Baur, which is why I wanted to learn it. I've found for my playing style, however, that the Krylov and Voss are where it's at.

If I could just always carry a Krylov I would. I like playing as PAC more for just that reason. I would definitely say that Baur is a powerhouse in the right hands. I've had a lot of losing duels with proficient Baur-ists.

FredWest66 · 05-22-2009, 01:15 PM

der baur ist das beste und sie wissen dass es ist!

**Berlancic** · 05-26-2009, 04:24 AM

It's good to try new things, it show's that you aren't afraid to have a stab at something despite the risks.
Remember on TG it is about being efficient and doing the best you can for your team. If you rule with the VOSS and you're the terminator in CQC engagements, then stay that way as you are being efficient and helpful for clearing out the enemies your team have to face.
If you want to practice with weapons I suggest doing it on bots, put them on 1 percent intelligence, it's just about getting the feel for the weapon and knowing how to use it correctly.
I'm going to tell you now that the AI DO NOT GET MORE INTELLGENT when you raise the intelligence level to 100. The slider just differs between making the bots less and more accurate.

Practice does make perfect so eventually you'll get the hang of the weapon. But when you're playing for the team, you know your strengths, so use them to your advantage and be an efficient player for your team.

boosteryu · 05-26-2009, 10:19 AM

As Logical says, no weapon is better than the other. The all have strengths and weaknesses. Be smart and use the right gun for the right map/situation. But the Baur is sexy what can I say...

**Sluggo78** · 06-20-2009, 08:40 PM

yea im also with Zohar, the dps is better on the voss thats why most people prefer it, though the baur can get kills faster, you just need to work a little harder at being able to use the baur than using a voss. Sidious and L.E.H.F can help you out on some questions too, they are in the top 10 of baur in the world i think

SharinganTH1422 · 06-20-2009, 11:18 PM

Sidious is apparently 14th and L.E.H.F. is 10th.

Wow, 2 players who reg the TG server being so highly ranked with the Baur is pretty impressive. Not so surprised to see their names at the top of round Scoreboards now even when loads of TGers are on

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SharinganTH1422 · 06-23-2009, 01:06 PM

Well yesterday I decided to take some time out in Single Player to Practice with the Baur. I've wanted to do so for ages, but as soon as I log in I just forget and jump into a game

. I was just messing about with it to see some stuff, how best to use it, looking at the usefulness of the semi-auto, looking at how many bullets I used and I came up with something cool that I've never heard anyone else say.

So the usual thing when you use the Baur is that age-old story of aim high centre-mass and let the recoil kick up to the head. I did this for as long as I played with the Baur, even before I heard it elsewhere I was doing it because it seemed to make sense, BUT the problem with this technique is if yo aim high centre-mass and go up to the head, the full auto takes you slightly above the head, and you have to very quickly stop firing and bring the mouse down for the 2nd burst (I don't know if this is just me, but I can't possibly see how you can aim high centre-mass and not eventually end up having to stop firing for a split second and pull the sight back downwards the sight downwards - I also fight the recoil by pulling the mouse down during firing, but the recoil is still too much to make it stick on the body long enough to get the kill).

So now I do something different to get that kill in just a single burst:

- You start by aiming at the enemy's legs, around their thigh area.
- You let the recoil kick up to centre mass, but keep it there by pulling the mouse downwards enough
- After you've got to that point where you know you're next shot is going to get that kill, let the recoil kick all the way up to the head.

Again, I may be the only one who can't aim high centre-mass with the Baur and get the kill in one burst, but I doubt it

. And thought I may aswell throw in a different technique to aiming than the old "high centre-mass".

Thing I learned with the Baur is that roughly half the bullets seem to go missing. On Semi-auto, 4 bullets get the kill. On Full auto, the reticule on the enemy the whole time, it takes about 7 bullets to get the enemy. I'm not sure why but that's just the way I found it to be. No matter what I did on Full-Auto, I was always using roughly double the bullets I used on Semi-auto. This mean that I have about 10 bullets to kill with when using on Full Auto. This means you can't waste bullets firing above the enemy, and the Baur's comparatively weak RoF means that you can't waste time re-adjusting your aim and shooting again, even it is for a split second, every split-second is crucial. However, the Baur's great strength is the power of its bullets - 4 bullets to connect from the Baur gets the kill (but - and again this may just be me - I somehow use 7 or 8 bullets) so you don't actually need to worry about connecting with the head or whatever, just put the bullets on target and they'll do their job well enough.

After I did this I actually got faster at getting kills (admittedly against bots

) than the Voss. Once you get the feel, it's zoom, fire the 7 bullets, and zoom out even before the "You Killed blah blah" message pops up. The Baur has the the accuracy and predicable recoil that allows you to drill how to fire the gun properly. The Voss' recoil is a little more temperamental as it swings around from from side to side.

I've been converted to the Baur side, but only when I practice. I play with the Voss when I want to zomg! own (aka mid-table, WOOT!)

FL1Pmode · 06-23-2009, 01:37 PM

The whole half bullets missing is probably because of your ping. At ~20 ping I can kill with a 3 round burst when aiming with the baur. Normally it takes more for me but that is the lowest I have used on full auto.

SharinganTH1422 · 06-23-2009, 01:40 PM

Ping on Single Player? I'm not sure

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It could be thathe fact that the people you kill occasionally with 3/4-bullet bursts are already injured...In a regular confrontation how many bullets does it usually take (roughly)?

Or it could just be my aim.

*whistle*