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    Sniper as an SL

    This is my bored at work topic for the day, I encourage much discussion and thoughts. As well as a good many arguments against from the medic loving SLs out there ^_^

    Kit Loadout:
    Sniper Rifle(sniper preference)
    Cloak
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    Beacon

    Preferred squad makeup:
    1x support w/ IDS
    4x medic

    Node Defense Strategy:

    -Drop beacon back from node in out of the way spot.
    -Set up overlook position off node with visibility on both node and beacon
    -Have soldiers guard node aggressively while you use sniper for spotting and occasional headshots on the players everyone comes to hate running into.
    -Have soldiers spawn on node and use beacon only when node is lost as a fallback for reassault

    Node Assault Strategy:
    -Infiltrate through stealth
    -Lay beacon off node a ways
    -Have squad aggressively assault node
    -Provide overwatch and spotting
    -Have soldiers use spawn point as a rebound for continued assault and support them with sniper fire

    Strengths:
    -Highpoint for better battlefield view
    -Staying alive to keep open coms with CO
    -If keeping an eye on the SL beacon able to destroy becon and have team spawn on you when beacon gets camped
    -Usually will be out of assault squads IDS range

    Weaknesses:
    -Separate from squad
    -Squad is down 1 assaulter
    -Squad is less mobile
    -Squad at times can use beacon heavily

    Overall:
    It's not the best setup for a squad that does roving assault tactics. But for a defensive squad or precision strike squad that have a single node objective that they want to take and hold it can be strong.

    Thoughts?

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    Re: Sniper as an SL

    Well.. you've argued for and against your self..

    But all these are valid points.

    As you started off with, I'm that guy who prefers to be medic or support.
    But you could accomplish almost the same effect if you as SL just hang back for a couple of yards..
    i.e. you can choose one of your SMs to be the point man, and you'll follow a couple af yards behind. This way, you can give cover from behind, and if you're down, you only have a coupl eof yards to your nearest medic.
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    Re: Sniper as an SL

    I toss down arguments for both sides to spark conversation. I'm not saying it's an idea I would roll with a lot. It's just something to do/talk about and I'm pretty bored here at work.

    If we want to discuss personal taste if a recon kit SLes I think that it should look like so:

    Lambert
    cloak
    apm
    otus

    And stay back like I said, but do some "assault recon" tactics if need be.

    But I think the sniper in that role could be interesting, primarily on defensive maps. And I've been zeller'ed to the head several times from a distance with a sniper harassing a flag that have caused me to lay on my belly and wonder how to move.

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    Re: Sniper as an SL

    Quote Originally Posted by SGT.Link View Post
    Strengths:
    -If keeping an eye on the SL beacon able to destroy becon and have team spawn on you when beacon gets camped
    This is not true, you'll need to be resupplied by a support kit to get a new beacon, then you'll have to drop it and pick it up again before squad members can again spawn in on you.

    I would suggest, if trying this with a beacon, that you have defending squad members spawn on the hard point (flag) and not the beacon, that way they are closer to the action and they don't give away the fact that you have a beacon nearby.

    When it's all said and done though, I prefer an SL to be mobile and always aware of what's going on, which is something a sniper usually isn't due to tunnel vision when looking down a scope.



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    Re: Sniper as an SL

    Quote Originally Posted by SGT.Link View Post
    If we want to discuss personal taste if a recon kit SLes I think that it should look like so:

    Lambert
    cloak
    apm
    otus
    Well I would toss out the apms.. and bring the RDX..
    With this I can mine up the nearest flag behind us.. so when I notice the flag is gone, I blow it up, order the squad to fall back to that flag and recap it.. With that tactic it'll give us a few xtra seconds to sprint back.

    Why this you may ask.
    Well simoly cuz I wouldn't bring the becon, instead the otus as you, (if we're not deep behind enemy lines).
    And we need a close flag to attack from if we all gets killed...
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    Re: Sniper as an SL

    I'm a fan of the Lambert/Cloak/Ghost/Otus combo. The Cloak + Ghost is a highly underestimated combination. It is a rare day when I use that combo effectively and fail to sneak past a defense.

    I think alot of people underestimate the Cloak+Ghost combo because they don't see the results of using it.... That's ironic because that's the whole point of it! I'm willing to bet that a good majority of the people here would claim that a cloak+ghost combo has never been effective against them. That's simply because if the combo is used effectively against you, you wouldn't know!

    Anyone who's been in my squads on Berlin as PAC knows how effective the tool is. Countless times I've snuck past an EU defense at Crossroads using that combination.

    As for using a sniper rifle, I'd much prefer a Lambert. Being able to destroy your beacon from a distance is nice in theory, but if you're going to be using a beacon, you're going to place it so that it's hard to find/destroy, which means that you won't be able to snipe it. Besides the Otus with a recon NetBat unlock puts the diamonds as red dots on your minimap as well, so it's a very nice thing to have.

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    Re: Sniper as an SL

    Quote Originally Posted by pred011586 View Post
    I'm a fan of the Lambert/Cloak/Ghost/Otus combo. The Cloak + Ghost is a highly underestimated combination. It is a rare day when I use that combo effectively and fail to sneak past a defense.

    I think alot of people underestimate the Cloak+Ghost combo because they don't see the results of using it.... That's ironic because that's the whole point of it! I'm willing to bet that a good majority of the people here would claim that a cloak+ghost combo has never been effective against them. That's simply because if the combo is used effectively against you, you wouldn't know!
    This used to work a lot, but not often anymore. I'm going to guess that you haven't tried this during primetime, when the server is full of TG regulars and IDS' and sentry guns abound.



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    Re: Sniper as an SL

    Quote Originally Posted by Lorax74 View Post
    This used to work a lot, but not often anymore. I'm going to guess that you haven't tried this during primetime, when the server is full of TG regulars and IDS' and sentry guns abound.
    This is true, the ghost is nice for getting past the first IDS but a CO and some good eyes stop recon runs cold in their tracks. The real key to recon run is to have luck and avoid people (or be sneaky enough through people, but that is hard and takes more luck).
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    Re: Sniper as an SL

    A skilled CO will see recon SLs easily and direct people to intercept. Don't assume that tactics that work when the server is a fair mix of regulars and non-regulars will work when the server is full of regulars with a good CO.
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    Re: Sniper as an SL

    Quote Originally Posted by Lorax74 View Post
    This used to work a lot, but not often anymore. I'm going to guess that you haven't tried this during primetime, when the server is full of TG regulars and IDS' and sentry guns abound.
    Actually, I found it works best during primetime. IDS doesn't pick you up if you place the Ghost properly, and the more people on the server, the more likely the sentry guns are going to target someone else. Granted I haven't played much in the past 2 months, so unless something's changed since then, which I doubt, the tactic is still quite valid.

    I believe the reason many people downplay the use of the ghost is like I said before. Many people decide how useful an item in game is by how much of a benefit is seen from it. Either when you use it, or when your enemy uses it against you. The thing with the Ghost, is that you don't see any direct benefits of using it. For all you know, the enemy just wasn't paying attention. And if the enemy uses it correctly against you, you wouldn't know, that's the point of the unlock.


    As a PAC SL, I've been able to sneak past an EU defense at Outpost, and squad bomb on the flag to cap out EU, during primetime on TG servers. The key is where you place the ghost. Place it far enough away that conventionally placed IDSes won't detect it, but close enough to get you past the defense without leaving the 50-60m range of the ghost and you'll be able to sneak past most defenses.

    The only thing that sees a ghosted recon is a sentry gun. A Support's netbat I believe shows a diamond over the ghost instead of the cloaker, but I never tested that. Sat tracks, IDSes, Otuses, and UAVes all don't see the ghosted cloaker,

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    Re: Sniper as an SL

    I love the ghost/recon rush. Especialllly on Fall of berlin, when I couple it with an APC rush to pod over the fence. I have used this effectively many times, including on primetime. Everyone pods over, rushes X-roads, while I lay the beacon down and cloak past to the back flags. My team goes down, spawns on me and caps a back flag. Usually the only thing that puts a hamper on this is the enemy APC


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    Re: Sniper as an SL

    if you've laid the beacon down, how do they spawn on you?

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    Re: Sniper as an SL

    Quote Originally Posted by Zoraster View Post
    if you've laid the beacon down, how do they spawn on you?
    lol
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    Re: Sniper as an SL

    I think he meant the ghost, not the beacon.

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    Re: Sniper as an SL

    It's all so easy here in the forums...

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