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07-21-2009, 08:42 PM #31
Re: The Great Scar Debate
I am just upright telling him that the SCAR is a bad weapon.
If I hated him I woule tell everyone how great the SCAR is and enjoy my increased killcount on the server.
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07-21-2009, 08:49 PM #32
Re: The Great Scar Debate
His capacity for love lost, the man accepts it into his glas of dispair. The Flames of burning anger unquenched, the man keeps drinking... but never gets drunk

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07-21-2009, 08:57 PM #33
Re: The Great Scar Debate
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07-21-2009, 09:07 PM #34
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Re: The Great Scar Debate
Nobody has answered my my long-range post I see, so am I right?

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07-21-2009, 09:15 PM #35
Re: The Great Scar Debate
Sure man i totally agree! I just wanted to remind people to keep this "discussion" on track
Personal experience is more than welcome, fact and numbers ( like ROF damage per bullet and stuff ) are also good ways to make things clear but i think we had all that already. Lyra also posted somewhere a link where you can read all the important stuff about the weapons in bf2142 but i canīt remember where that was anymore.
I apologize if my former post sounded like i want to point my finger on some one or want to be a smack-tard about that topic.. i just didnīt wanted to see another thread going off topic and people start to hate and flame around.
This said, thanks for listening
His capacity for love lost, the man accepts it into his glas of dispair. The Flames of burning anger unquenched, the man keeps drinking... but never gets drunk

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07-21-2009, 09:17 PM #36
Re: The Great Scar Debate
Since you asked for it

Perhaps we have different definitions of long range. If I can hit anyone with a burst, I don't really consider that long range. Perhaps medium-long range or some intermediate distance.
Looking at the numbers, I'm not sure you're correct.
Baur:
Min Damage: 22
Damage: 34
Damage Decreasing Distance 40m
Distance to minimum damage 70m
Voss:
Minimum damage 20
Damage 25
Damage Decreasing Distance 40m
Distance to minimum damage 65m
SCAR:
Minimum damage 20
Damage 29
Damage Decreasing Distance 35m
Distance to minimum damage 65m
Krylov:
Minimum damage 20
Damage 27
Damage Decreasing Distance 35m
Distance to minimum damage 70m
Looking at this, the SCAR at distance is more similar to the Voss than the Krylov and certainly the Baur. The Baur is the only rifle to do more damage than the others at the longest ranges (22 vs. 20). In addition, it does its minimum damage at a longer range than the Voss or SCAR (70m vs. 65m).
The Krylov also does its min. damage at the 70m mark.
So, if you're at 65m, the Krylov is actually doing more damage than the SCAR. If you're at 70m+, the Krylov is doing the same damage as the SCAR.
Source: http://www.2142-stats.com/BF2142+Info/Weapons/all.html
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07-21-2009, 09:24 PM #37
Re: The Great Scar Debate
LOOK WHAT YOU'RE DOING TO BLACK MIRROR!!!! YOU'RE MAKING HIM A SAD PANDA!!!
Sorry./off-topic late-night sillyness
If you like the gun no number of stats can make you worse with the gun. Technically it may or may not be as good as the other guns - I haven't looked at those numbers enough and haven't seen enough numbers to make a judgement on how good the SCAR is compared to the other guns - but sometimes just the feel of the gun can make all the difference to your play, so if you rule with a gun, then play with it.
You control the gun, the gun does not control you
P.S. Lyra, I repsect your knowledge, but the SCAR is the worst AR at long range? Worse than the Voss with its superior accuracy and easier to manage recoil? TBH I pretty much agree with you on the other points though (apart from maybe SCAR 3rd at close range, the Baur runs out of bullets too quick and RoF isn't high enough)Anger is a gift - Malcolm X

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07-21-2009, 09:58 PM #38
Re: The Great Scar Debate
At long ranges the scar has 1 hugh flaw: The laser pointer dot
Itīs ugly and freaking hugh. Often covering up all of what you want to shoot.
As you can see in Zors post the SCAR is the worst on long ranges.
Less damage than a Baur
Less Bullets than a Voss
Less minimum range than a Krylov
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07-22-2009, 12:50 AM #39
Re: The Great Scar Debate
Still trying to figure out why "Krylov" is in this post. Comparing the SCAR to the Krylov is like comparing apples to puppy dogs on which one makes a better engine degreaser. As was pointed out since you cannot equip both the SCAR and Krylov the comparison is SCAR, Voss, Baur, full stop.
Now if you want to include the Krylov on a comparative basis then why aren't we including the 2 SMGs, the 2 LMGs, the HMG, the Clark and the Lambert as well? Those are equally valid comparisons.
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07-22-2009, 01:19 AM #40
Re: The Great Scar Debate
I agree. Including Krylov is kind of disingenuous as obviously that's not a choice someone on EU has. But even given this, the numbers still bear out that the Voss at long range isn't less powerful. In fact, because the damage starts reducing at a larger distance (40 vs. 35), it's got a little less of a fall off. That said, the Voss also zooms in more (why? I have no idea) and the kick is a little more, making single shotting more difficult.
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07-22-2009, 06:18 AM #41
Re: The Great Scar Debate










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07-22-2009, 09:14 AM #42
Re: The Great Scar Debate
LoL, I thought that's a good thing! It's far easier to get a massive red dot on target than a small one with massive zoom and not very good accuracy, with the Voss you'll miss at long ranges even when the reticule is right on the enemy, this doesn't happen with the SCAR, and because the SCAR has probably the most manageable recoil in the game you can burst at long ranges.
Still, these are minor differences, especially at long range you use your rockets anyway so meh.
I think we can all pretty much agree on a couple of things:
1) The SCAR is not a bad gun, it's just that the other guns are better in quite a few departments, and the SCAR does not excel at much.
2) It's the user more than the gun itself, if you like it and play better with a certain gun, then you're not suddenly gonna become rubbish when using it.Anger is a gift - Malcolm X

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07-22-2009, 10:47 AM #43
Re: The Great Scar Debate
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07-22-2009, 11:00 AM #44
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07-22-2009, 12:19 PM #45
Re: The Great Scar Debate
I agree, every PAC soldier should carry a Krylov with radar nades and Herzog when Lyra is on the opposing team. To heck with it, I'll start doing this to see if I can still be effective. It'll be good practice.










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