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08-28-2009, 02:04 AM #1
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1/2 Herzog Squad for CQC Infantry Maps?
I recently started a new soldier, and had to use the Herzog attachment in place of the PK Rockets as I didn't have them unlocked. After a few rounds of using it, I began to notice that my CQC capabilities were greatly increased. Instead of being able to only take down 2-4 people with the Kylov/Scar and then having to reload or pull my pistol, if I had the drop on a squad I could take down 3 with my Herzog and then drop another 3 with my AR. And this is even more useful if you have the NS upgrade, as in CQC you can drop 4 instead of 3 provided every shot hits.
So this revelation led me to think, hey, why not have 2 people in a squad carry Herzog instead of rockets?
In the average TG squad, there is 1 Support, and 5 Medics. Generally all medics have defibs and rockets equipped, defibs being necessary and rockets being very useful as well. But, seeing as rockets are only useful at range, why not have even 2 of the SMs carry Herzogs? If a squad is ambushed the chances of survival are usually very slm normally. Most of the time many bullets are wasted by disoriented SMs trying to hit their attacker(s), so having extra ammunition to use if you:
A) escape, but are closely pursued by the attacker(s) and have no time to reload
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B)find your attacker(s) but have no bullets in your main weapon
can be a lifesaver, and even if just one of the Herzog-carriers survives, the entire squad can be revived.
Another way to put it:
Rockets are good for long range, herzog for close. Having 5 sets of rockets bearing dow on the enemy to me seems like overkill. Why not balance your squad's CQC and long range capabilities instead of having them lopsided? In a well-run squad this could be very effective.
So, give me feedback. Is this a good idea?
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08-28-2009, 02:17 AM #2
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Re: 1/2 Herzog Squad for CQC Infantry Maps?
Methinks the question really should be; which AR do you prefer? and, how good are you with the pistol? Personally I carry the Voss and PK-74; the Voss being a decent CQE weapon provided your targets are either caught unawares or aren't a twitch deadeye shot. However the Voss isn't really effective at long range (for me) as its like trying to hit a knight with a fly swatter when shooting in semi-auto. The Baur on the otherhand is devastating at close range but the clip is too short for killing an entire enemy squad, while the Voss is sufficient at taking a squad down on its own in CQE provided you're a good shot. Lacking that the pistol is also good for two targets if you're a decent shot, so while yes the Herzog could be a good idea in some circumstances, they're too few and far between for the hypothetical soldier to actually have the equipment and scenario presented to them as you describe; in my opinion one would simply be sacrificing too much of their long-range effectiveness (which complements the medium to short range effectiveness of the AR) for a boost in CQE situations where one is still likely to lose at the business end of a Clark 15B, or a barrage of any accuracy from any of the ARs.
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08-28-2009, 02:33 AM #3
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Re: 1/2 Herzog Squad for CQC Infantry Maps?
Actually I think at least 50% of engagements on infantry maps happen at medium-short range. Think of Tunis Harbour, Cerebre Landing and Camp Gibraltar.so while yes the Herzog could be a good idea in some circumstances,they're too few and far between for the hypothetical soldier soldier to actually have the equipment and scenario presented to them as you describe
Thats why only 2 of the members of the squad would carry Herzogs, the other 3 are equipped with rockets. And besides, ARs aren't terrible at long range combat anyways. If you're engaging at ranges that you can't use the AR to hit (other than if enemies are behind cover), there is a very likely chance they will be revived.in my opinion one would simply be sacrifing too much of their long range effectiveness
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08-28-2009, 02:56 AM #4
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Re: 1/2 Herzog Squad for CQC Infantry Maps?
Not true. If you can rocket them, chances are they will not get revived because the bodies will get rocketed again which could net even more unrevivable kills.
Originally Posted by Deterhek
Herzog also has a chance of bugging out and not doing any damage even though you are firing it in CQC...happened to me so often, that I would never use a Herzog again.
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08-28-2009, 03:17 AM #5
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Re: 1/2 Herzog Squad for CQC Infantry Maps?
Yeah the hit detection is a big turn off for me on the herzog, which is otherwise a great concept.
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Re: 1/2 Herzog Squad for CQC Infantry Maps?
Every time you use a Herzog, you are playing high stakes poker. There is a chance that you will win and kill an entire squad with a Herzog+AR combo (ILUVBAURZOGBTW) and there is a chance you will die next to a full squad with nobody to revive you because all four shots of your Zog phased through and there wasn't enough time to pull out your AR.
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08-28-2009, 06:30 AM #7
Re: 1/2 Herzog Squad for CQC Infantry Maps?
Fairy talesI could take down 3 with my Herzog and then drop another 3 with my AR.
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08-28-2009, 10:33 AM #8
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Re: 1/2 Herzog Squad for CQC Infantry Maps?
Not really, it's not impossible, I've done it once or twice, but it does require a few things to occur: Surprise, skill, and the additional ammo upgrade for the rockets/Herzog. Originally Posted by Lyramion
Onto the original topic-
I don't agree with this for the following reasons.
Despite how much I love the Herzog, I would rather have 5 grenadiers/rocketmen in my squad, for added suppression.You also have to assume that the person who is using the Herzog is used to using it effectively. IMO, if it takes more than two shots to kill someone with the Herzog, you're probably going to die.
You also have to remember that a lot of people carry the tried and true Voss-Rocket combination. The Voss excels at close quarter combat, simply point the Voss in their general direction and spray. 2 guaranteed kills with the Voss is better than 3 "possible" kills with the Herzog.
Understand that my view is that the Herzog is a backup weapon in place of the pistol. Assault wise, its a horrible weapon because of the limited ammo capacity, despite its power. It's better to use all the ammo in your assault rifle to weaken or kill as many as possible, and then switch to the Herzog to finish them off in ONE shot.
So the thing to remember is- Its Assault Rifle THEN Herzog, not Herzog THEN Assault Rifle.
There's a reason for this. The time it takes to revive someone is short, maybe a second or so with a quick zap, and the person revived comes back with full health. The purpose for this is suppression. The killed person has to remain dead for the full 15 seconds. You also have to factor in that there are always medics rushing into zap the body. So continually rocketing the corpse will result in not just one kill but maybe 2 or 3 guaranteed kills where enemy loses a ticket. Originally Posted by Deterhek
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Re: 1/2 Herzog Squad for CQC Infantry Maps?
Recently I've been carrying Baur/Herzog on EU when assault. I find that it lets me engage both near and far with great efficacy. And while the Herzog does have a tendency to glitch out sometimes (the Clark experiences this too), I find the quick reload speed of the Baur complements the shotgun attachment nicely. Also, since the Baur has less ammo per clip the Herzog can give you that 3rd or 4th kill after you've run out of ammo. Then you reload and come back for more.
It's also pretty useful when carrying a SCAR11... with a Krylov or Voss in hand it's rather pointless because of the effectiveness of the main gun at that range.
To be honest I just really like the ability to keep fighting while the enemy has to reload. Keep in mind that even if you run out of Herzog you still have your pistol too.
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Re: 1/2 Herzog Squad for CQC Infantry Maps?
Hmm, I've actually never had it glitch out on me. And as for the 3 with the Herzog and 3 with the AR, it really does work if you see them first. Personally if I know that the squad isn't aware of my presence (i.e. don't come running over to me) I switch to the Herzog first because that way I can easily kill 3 people each with one shot before they see my exact position, and then switch to my AR to kill the others, because by then it is likely that they will try to fire back and evade, and since the Herzog is not so great at hitting targets moving around because of its slower firing rate (if you miss yuo're pretty much toast) the AR does the job nicely.
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08-28-2009, 02:48 PM #11
Re: 1/2 Herzog Squad for CQC Infantry Maps?
Stop wailing on puppies then and fight ppl that use IDSes !
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Re: 1/2 Herzog Squad for CQC Infantry Maps?
Mannequin squads who stand still with their backs turned, while their squad-mates scream and die - it's the latest tactic!
Seriously, it's not a terrible idea if you have people who are comfortable using it. Although you could argue that 2 Supports with Clarks, plus 4 Medics with rockets would be better..
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08-28-2009, 04:03 PM #13
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Re: 1/2 Herzog Squad for CQC Infantry Maps?
No no, I used this on TG yesterday. Got the 'zog shots off but then realized that I didn't have enough ammo in the AR to take out the 3 others so I backed off and naded em instead. If I had a full clip though I could've taken them all down. Originally Posted by Lyramion
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08-28-2009, 04:07 PM #14
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Re: 1/2 Herzog Squad for CQC Infantry Maps?
In all honesty a lot of us veteran players have seen it all in 2142, and a herzog taking out 3-4 people is, as lyra said, a fairy tale. May be a little BR could explain better about how you approached the situation.
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Re: 1/2 Herzog Squad for CQC Infantry Maps?
Hmm, how long do BR files stay in the downloadable area? Unfortunately I haven't the slighest clue of how to link to them, but I'll try playing the same style today and post here when they're up to say you can download and view them yourselves.
Hmm, I think that was about the worst thing I could say apart from saying "Hey enemies, I can hardly do any damage at long range today!"
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