Re: Support weap unlock Ganz HMG - was it all worth it?

**Mosati** · 12-01-2006, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by chaf3d

I find with the Hanz, you really have to use bursts of fire. I don't use it often (mainly cause I love the Art of Sniping) but when I do, i just don't zoom in, and burst fire.

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**Elite_Master** · 12-13-2006, 05:46 PM

I don't know, I just unlocked the Ganz and I love it. When you zoom in the only freedom of movement that puts off your aim slightly is vertical - there really is no horizontal drift (gun only pulls up when firing) so it's predictable in that manner whereas the stock support gun is all over the place - plus I noticed that the Ganz seems to be just slightly more powerful (inflicting damage), but not by much. And the main reason I use it over the stock gun is because it's new and cool and sounds better when firing, I'm guessing I'll get sick of it and just start using my Clark shotgun again.

**InfernoBLT11** · 12-13-2006, 10:48 PM

What wrong with the sound of the stock guns? The Bianchi has the beefiest sound of all guns imo! Right, the Shuko sound like a peashooter tho.

**chaf3d** · 12-13-2006, 11:09 PM

Originally Posted by Elite_Master

I'm guessing I'll get sick of it and just start using my Clark shotgun again.

Personally,, Clark Shotgun is like a super powerful noob cannon. No offense, it is a very powerful weapon. I have been in MANY firefights where i'll be on a rol, 4-5 guys with Voss, then another one or 2 with pistol (pure luck on the pistol ones), then some guy with the clark comes along and just one shot blasts me.

Just not a fan.

I find the advantages of the ganz are far outweighed by the overly bulky Zoomed sight. just my own opinion.

**Thanatos** · 12-14-2006, 04:06 PM

The new patch that's undergoing beta testing right now tweaks some aspects of the Ganz HMG - it increases the damage per bullet to compensate for the slower ROF. We may have to revisit our opinions of this weapon when the patch goes live.

It seems to me though that the biggest complaint is the slower stabilization rate. I'm eager to see what changes this will bring since I've gone up the support tree to be just shy of the Ganz, saving it for field unlocks.

**jepzilla** · 12-15-2006, 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by chaf3d

Personally,, Clark Shotgun is like a super powerful noob cannon. No offense, it is a very powerful weapon. I have been in MANY firefights where i'll be on a rol, 4-5 guys with Voss, then another one or 2 with pistol (pure luck on the pistol ones), then some guy with the clark comes along and just one shot blasts me.

Just not a fan.

Noob cannon? I think that's an unfair characterization. I've tried learning how to use the Clark effectively lately, and I'd have to say it's a lot harder than using an assault rifle. The Clark only one-shot kills with close-range headshots.

**=Sarc=** · 12-15-2006, 11:45 AM

The noob cannon is the DAO-12 AT shotgun from BF2. The Clark is a big difference in balance from the DAO-12.

**Zoopy** · 12-15-2006, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by jepzilla

Noob cannon? I think that's an unfair characterization. I've tried learning how to use the Clark effectively lately, and I'd have to say it's a lot harder than using an assault rifle. The Clark only one-shot kills with close-range headshots.

I've spent around 30 hours has support and use nothing but the shotgun (I have a total of 21 kills with the LMGs compared to 896 kills with the Clark) and I have to agree with Jep, it is hard to use effectively. The problem is that to one-shot kill someone, you have to have all the shotgun hit dead on. In a face to face conflict, if you don't one-shot kill the enemy, you will die before you fire off a second round. Expecially when going up against a Voss, I usually get shredded.

You rarely see people use the Clark on maps anyways, I'm not sure if its because they havn't unlocked it yet or they just never use it. Most times at the end of the round I notice that there are only 3 people uses it during the round (when it shows your best gun, it's usually 1/2). The only TGer I noticed using it was Jepzilla (probably because we both came around the corner with our Clarks out, but he blasted me first) or medics I kit swap with and revive (thus they have the clark I was using).

I use the Clark often on Conquest maps, and I average around 12 kills a round (which is somewhut low since most people get higher kills with the Baur or Voss).

**jepzilla** · 12-15-2006, 02:15 PM

Originally Posted by Zoopy_T

I've spent around 30 hours has support and use nothing but the shotgun (I have a total of 21 kills with the LMGs compared to 896 kills with the Clark) and I have to agree with Jep, it is hard to use effectively. The problem is that to one-shot kill someone, you have to have all the shotgun hit dead on. In a face to face conflict, if you don't one-shot kill the enemy, you will die before you fire off a second round. Expecially when going up against a Voss, I usually get shredded.

You rarely see people use the Clark on maps anyways, I'm not sure if its because they havn't unlocked it yet or they just never use it. Most times at the end of the round I notice that there are only 3 people uses it during the round (when it shows your best gun, it's usually 1/2). The only TGer I noticed using it was Jepzilla (probably because we both came around the corner with our Clarks out, but he blasted me first) or medics I kit swap with and revive (thus they have the clark I was using).

I use the Clark often on Conquest maps, and I average around 12 kills a round (which is somewhut low since most people get higher kills with the Baur or Voss).

Haha, I remember that. It was around Statue on Belgrade, wasn't it?

I find using the Clark is all about stealth- trying to close in on the enemy to your effective range without getting killed. The sensor helps a lot. I'd say this makes the Clark a weapon that is 'definitely harder than it looks' to use. When a guy shotguns you in the face you only see the part where he pops around the corner and blows your head off. You don't see all the hard work he's doing to get into a position where he can do that. Still, it's all made worthwhile when you get behind an entire squad and blow them away.

My K/D ratio still sucks with the weapon though...

**Zoopy** · 12-15-2006, 02:47 PM

Originally Posted by jepzilla

Haha, I remember that. It was around Statue on Belgrade, wasn't it?

I find using the Clark is all about stealth- trying to close in on the enemy to your effective range without getting killed. The sensor helps a lot. I'd say this makes the Clark a weapon that is 'definitely harder than it looks' to use. When a guy shotguns you in the face you only see the part where he pops around the corner and blows your head off. You don't see all the hard work he's doing to get into a position where he can do that. Still, it's all made worthwhile when you get behind an entire squad and blow them away.

My K/D ratio still sucks with the weapon though...

Actualy I think it was at the Ruins flag... I tried to beat with the clark that round, but you ended up with one more kill then me (I think you had 19 and I had 18 kills).

The thing with the shotgun is you always hit rounds were you just suck with it. Where you keep trying and you keep getting creamed while using it (like shooting, and hitting, a guy twice in the back only to have him turn around and mow you down or get knifed head on cause you missed the first shot).

Then there's the rounds where you just rip through everyone that comes close to you. I recal one round I was on Belgrade on the Comm Tower flag. I went prone with my by the little structure to cap the flag. Long story short, I killed 6 guys with 6 shots before a grenade blew me to hell. It's the moments like this why I love the Clark.

**Elite_Master** · 12-18-2006, 03:20 PM

Originally Posted by Elite_Master

I don't know, I just unlocked the Ganz and I love it. When you zoom in the only freedom of movement that puts off your aim slightly is vertical - there really is no horizontal drift (gun only pulls up when firing) so it's predictable in that manner whereas the stock support gun is all over the place - plus I noticed that the Ganz seems to be just slightly more powerful (inflicting damage), but not by much. And the main reason I use it over the stock gun is because it's new and cool and sounds better when firing, I'm guessing I'll get sick of it and just start using my Clark shotgun again.

Yep, it's only been a week and the cool sound and different scope UI for the Ganz just has become tedious and lame. I'm now back to the stock machine gun cuz I've just not seen this gun stand out at all while using it.. it's actually just as weak as the stock (even though it's supposed to be a heavy support gun), low ROF and there is just too much deviation.. I guess I would agree that this was a useless upgrade and not worth it.

**Yoyi** · 12-18-2006, 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by Elite_Master

Yep, it's only been a week and the cool sound and different scope UI for the Ganz just has become tedious and lame. I'm now back to the stock machine gun cuz I've just not seen this gun stand out at all while using it.. it's actually just as weak as the stock (even though it's supposed to be a heavy support gun), low ROF and there is just too much deviation.. I guess I would agree that this was a useless upgrade and not worth it.

Same conclusion I came to with this weapon if you read my post here from an earlier time. This was the first gun I unlocked

**Snail88** · 12-19-2006, 03:51 PM

try it out again now that its been tweaked...i really hope its better cuz i wanna start using it again

**Prophaniti** · 12-22-2006, 06:45 PM

After the 1.1 Patch:

Still as inaccurate as ever. The extra damage doesn't seem to do much for the overall effectiveness of this weapon.
Yes, you can get kills with it. No, not very often.

**Snail88** · 12-22-2006, 07:20 PM

i get 30+ kills with it on gibraltar defending every time. Pretty accurate to me.

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