Re: Support weap unlock Ganz HMG - was it all worth it?

**Blade.3510** · 08-21-2009, 07:32 AM

Originally Posted by Gillespie

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The only problem are the Assault class' rockets. Rockets have ruined any notion of stationary defense which seriously killed this game for me. BF2142 is run-n-gun, period.

u can be stationary like as a sniper make sure your targets are advaced assult classes and hide well :P

**Mercenary90** · 08-21-2009, 02:26 PM

What the hell is the above post saying?

**Deterhek** · 08-21-2009, 04:22 PM

I think hes saying that rockets won't get you if you hide well, and kill the "advanced assaults"-I think he means assaults with rockets-as soon as possible so they won't get you.
Of course that doesn't really work too well, as the squad would just revive the guy and then he'd die.
Also, talk about bumping lol

**Sluggo78** · 08-21-2009, 04:27 PM

very very good weapon in cerbere landing

**Reaperassault** · 08-21-2009, 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by Sluggo78

very very good weapon in cerbere landing

Would you like to explain? Because I find the shotgun to be quite effective at taking down targets that are on the covered areas of the flags in cerbere landing.

**Deterhek** · 08-21-2009, 04:52 PM

I second that, for the longest time I thought that the shotty was a n00b weapon just because all shottie *****s like to charge into a squad of enemies and can pretty well decimate an entire squad if they come unseen, which I didn't think is very tactical at all.
Now though, the shotty is actually my fave. support weapon because of this, as it forces you to choose your battles (CQC), and because it looks and sounds so awesome. Its a great weapon in the right hands, I'd choose it over the Ganz any day.
IMO:
Clark>Ganz
Shuko>Ganz
Bianchi>Ganz
Unfortunately you kind of have to unlock it, as the IDS is after it.
The Shuko and Bianchi both have crosshairs that come in much faster than the Ganz, plus they have 80 mroe bullets (Shuko) and 30 more bullets (Bianchi) than the Ganz and they reload faster and overheat slower. To me the higher damage with the Ganz doesn't really make all the difference.

**Reaperassault** · 08-21-2009, 05:26 PM

Originally Posted by Deterhek

I second that, for the longest time I thought that the shotty was a n00b weapon just because all shottie *****s like to charge into a squad of enemies and can pretty well decimate an entire squad if they come unseen, which I didn't think is very tactical at all.

thats how I like to do all my killing, I think its very tactical

**Nine.Thousand** · 08-21-2009, 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by Deterhek

I second that, for the longest time I thought that the shotty was a n00b weapon just because all shottie *****s like to charge into a squad of enemies and can pretty well decimate an entire squad if they come unseen, which I didn't think is very tactical at all.
Now though, the shotty is actually my fave. support weapon because of this, as it forces you to choose your battles (CQC), and because it looks and sounds so awesome. Its a great weapon in the right hands, I'd choose it over the Ganz any day.
IMO:
Clark>Ganz
Shuko>Ganz
Bianchi>Ganz
Unfortunately you kind of have to unlock it, as the IDS is after it.
The Shuko and Bianchi both have crosshairs that come in much faster than the Ganz, plus they have 80 mroe bullets (Shuko) and 30 more bullets (Bianchi) than the Ganz and they reload faster and overheat slower. To me the higher damage with the Ganz doesn't really make all the difference.

Ganz is demonstrably better than all the LMGs in every conceivable way, I'm sorry you missed the video I posted but it's fact. I do prefer the shotgun though.

Here we go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXdaraqAek4

**SharinganTH1422** · 08-21-2009, 06:19 PM

Originally Posted by Nine.Thousand

Ganz is demonstrably better than all the LMGs in every conceivable way

LoL.

**Deterhek** · 08-21-2009, 06:22 PM

@Reaperassault: yeah I now realize its a good way to play, thats just what I used to think, mostly because I would get owned by everyone who had it in CQC fights, which I generally find myself straying towards.
@9k: Please, elaborate

**Nine.Thousand** · 08-21-2009, 06:35 PM

watch the video

**SharinganTH1422** · 08-21-2009, 06:52 PM

Please point us silly people towards this enlightening video oh fantastical one.

**Mercenary90** · 08-21-2009, 06:59 PM

I believe the Ganz is only competent in killing if you are prone/prepared beforehand and are covering a relatively narrow choke point.

The increased accuracy of the Ganz (when the crosshair is fully "contracted") is marginal and thus only very useful at longer ranges anyway, and you'd have to get up and run away to evade rockets in that case, thereby forcing you to prone down and put down bursts again to get your accuracy to an effective level, by which time a competent assault may have killed you, forced you to run, or closed distance.
The increased damage of the Ganz over the LMGs is only useful when firing accurately and effectively, which requires time to set up, leaving you open to attack for the above reasons.

The LMGs can inflict damage faster due to their quicker spread reduction and thus shorter setup time. In a squad, the LMGs can function competently at the same ranges that assault rifles are most effective at.

Shotguns do not suffer from spread at all, and the tactics their wielders must use to close distance may either lead to great death at the bullets of assault rifles or great win with the loving spread of buckshot. The usage of the shotgun in a squad is best suited to offensive, up close and personal squads or in tight confines such as buildings.

But in my opinion, both are much better than the Ganz.

**Deterhek** · 08-21-2009, 07:13 PM

The Ganz's bullet spread is just too great for me to take seriously when on offense. You need a good 2-3 seconds to get better accuracy than the LMGs, even at point blank range, in which time the enemy player will most likely kill you. I would literally rather take a sniper rifle to a CQC fight than the Ganz, and seeing as most TG squads are (unfortunately) geared towards offense, that makes the Clark and LMGs much more useful.

EDIT: Reaperassault likes the Clark. He has a kdr of over 6.5, I think we should trust his judgement.

**sordavie** · 08-21-2009, 09:06 PM

Originally Posted by Deterhek

EDIT: Reaperassault likes the Clark. He has a kdr of over 6.5, I think we should trust his judgement.

How do you know this?

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