Pronin

While playing PAC in Berlin, I've seen so many times people grab the APC, charge madly into the fray and get blown up by sensor mines.

Meantime, a well used APC can just about decide the outcome of that game. Stay at medium range behind your own infantry and shoot mortar at anything that moves on the other side. And when nothing is moving, just shoot at the corners (often there is someone behind them).

If enemy walker shows up, throw EMP at him, raise the shield and run for cover.

If you manage to stay alive long enough, a moment comes when enemy APC and walker are both down. At that moment, direct fire from your APC easily clears the path for an infantry charge.

So, stay behind your infantry, work with your gunner and watch out for sensor mines. My biggest kill streak to date (25) was done this way.

Thoughts?

Shiner

We had a fully-loaded TG squad two nights ago and did this. Two guys in the Walker, rest in the APC. Walker charges ahead absorbing mines, clearing what it can. The APC stays RIGHT behind the walker legs until the second bend in the road, there the APC hits the gas around the walker and heads directly to a back flag. Dropping the SL about half-way to deploy the beacon.

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Pronin

The setup you describe is such a juicy artillery target. I've seen it three times so far, and all three times artillery strike wiped it out. Instant combat efficiency pin for EU CO.

In fact, artillery seems to be the best way to counter enemy APC on that map. If you are commanding EU and don't have any special emergency to deal with, you should make tracking enemy armor and killing it with arty your second highest priority. Your first highest priority, of course, is watching for breakthroughs on both flanks.

Elite_Master

Yes, totally agree with the APC point; being a little bit more humble as the apc driver can go a long way for a team - it's also apparent that most people want to charge with that armor because whenever I'm driving I keep hearing people blaring "Go, go, go!!" and "Attack!" and meanwhile there are 4-5 engineers with rail guns, motion mines, emp mines, the land cannons manned and an enemy walker at the main choke point on Berlin. Once all the armor has been wiped out and the mines gone, getting people in the apc is the next big problem - everyone always wants to rush on foot to cap the next flag, when getting a fully loaded apc rushing in on the next flag is most effective. Also shooting the emp at the next flag is very effective for rushing in because when you pull up with that apc all the enemy soldiers are dizzied by the emp burst in their headset so they just run around lost, while you pick them off w/ machine gun, grenade fire from the apc. Also, never just sit (sitting duck) w/ any armor especially an apc ... best, most effective approach is to just stay on the main road and go back and forth - backing up is slower but you can do a 180 with the turret so you can see where you are going (counter-measures while backing up is best).

chaf3d

I was on a few days ago with you guys on Berlin. I was in Pronins squad, and being PAC for berlin as an engineer, i was able to give my team a very good advantage.

Just to the South of the Crossroads flag, there is a lot of debris - which is perfect for setting Motion Mines. I think there were 3-4 instances where either the walker or EU APC would try to rush, die, and I would fall back, repair the APC, or reset the mines since by this time there are ample Ammo packs lying around.


Sidenote: Pronin, you command one mean squad dude, props!

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jepzilla

The key to Berlin, for PAC, is to capture and secure a CP. Once you've done that, you have a very good chance of winning. The APC is a very effective mobile death machine, but mobile death should always be a secondary job for the PAC APC. If you can get a sniper to clear out mines, that's great, but even if you can't the APC driver should always be looking to break through to a back flag: it's your best chance of winning.

PAC will bleed ten tickets a minute until you have a flag! And the EU has an APC too... unless you can kill 10 more people per minute than the EU APC, you need to cap a flag!

chaf3d

PAC starts off with all the flags on Berlin. Or am I thinking of a different map.

Good point though. Doesn't really matter what flag you capture first. Even if you get a chance to push through and grab the 2nd or 3rd possible flag. This give your forces the chance to attack from the rear, and close on the 1st flag, or keep pushing back and take them all.

I've gone a few times where the round had ended, and I hadn't even realize the other team had taken the other flags because I was so caught up in defending that first one.

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jepzilla

PAC always starts with a single UCB. It's EU that gets all the flags in Berlin.

Elite_Master

I just tried this tactic using the APC in Berlin and it worked brilliantly - got 26 kills with only 1 death. As PAC I kept the APC on the little stretch of road where it spawns for the first 5 minutes while the Walkers were battling and all the enemy engies were laying their mines/railgun fire, but still coming out occasionally to fire an EMP at the enemy walker/troops - dude was in the grenade launcher view taking engies out and I was machine gunning others, then after about 8 minutes of craziness, it died down (everyone died I guess) all the mines had blown up and I counter-measured and made a break for it and drove like a mad man all the way to the very back EU base and we captured that one easily - we slowly made it down the map and met up with a friendly walker at the first base and we went on to win the round... definitely the only tactic to use on Berlin as PAC APC.

Lorax74

Same here... It was a pleasure being in your squad and playing the game as it is meant to be played.

Pronin, I look foward to joining up with you again in the future.

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JakeBlues68

Sitting in the second seat in an APC in Berlin is my single favorite place to be in this game. A full APC can absolutely wreak havoc on opposing infantry. The splash damage from the mortar lobs is sick.

When commanding on that map, I make it a priority to take out the APC at every opportunity.

Elite_Master

Totally agree, a well-driven APC with a good mortar-shooter is more lethal than a Walker on that map. The CO should be looking to emp/orbital strike the APC as the first priority and then emp/orbital strike the walker as the second priority. I've gotten upwards of 40 kills on a full Berlin map as the mortar-shooter.. it can be pretty devastating.. BUT you need to have a decent driver.. APC Drivers: Distance from the enemy troops is your friend.. most of those bastards will be engineers with railguns and if you happen to find yourself getting emp grenade spammed you are dead meat.. so keep your distance, roll in and out of streets (keep moving) and each time you roll into a new area raise those shields and then when the counter-measures cease, back the hell up and only come back to the area when you know its safe.

johnflenaly

The other day I saw bhack and his squad load up the apc and just charge through to get to a back flag. I dont think they made it but it alowed my squad to go throught the south pass and get to the outpost.

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