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    Effective Support Role

    More often than not I take up the support role in 2142 and often tote around the Ganz. (I didn't like it either when I first started using it, but after getting used to it it's very effective.) After playing several rounds at CG a few nights ago I was left feeling a little left out. My squad (EU) consisted of a few assaults, a sniper and me and was on a roof by harbor shelling the gate. I kept the squad supplied and while the battle raged below me I discovered I was a little bit bored.

    I honestly had nothing to shoot at and my sentry gun barely made a peep. Since then I've had one question going through my head: what is the best role for someone using support with the Ganz? I don't mind being there for supplies, it's my job. But in some situations the support load out isn't effective. I can't just go off on my own, and even if I wanted to I'd get killed in shot order. So what is the most effective way to use the support kit in a squad besides ammo?

    I see a lot of people just plopping the sentry gun in the middle of no where and it getting taken out within seconds. It's much more effective to lay down covering fire for an embedded squad or watch the back was to the squads position. A poor knifer learned that the hard way last night. I had the sentry around the corner and I heard the knife unsheathe and then the sentry go at it.

    The other role I find myself playing quite often is EMP grenader. It can buy a whole squad enough time to book in the other direction or lay down mines/c4. The one thing that support lacks the the ability to push into a tight area. Your much better being the initial member into an open area (i.e. toll station), lay fire, rest of squad rush and provide covering fire.

    What are everyone else's thoughts on how to be more effective in this role? I see a ton of ideas about the assault kit, but the poor support role is left in the dust.

    PS: in a video someone posted, someone picked up the sentry they put out. Anyone know how?
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    Re: Effective support role

    pick up a full health sentry using G key or the same key you have mapped to pick up kits. if the sentry is not at full health, you cant pick it up iirc. also, you can pick up ANY full health sentry, but im guessing the person that put it there wants it to stay there.


    the ganz is not a great weapon when you are moving alot. if you are in an attacking squad, pic a different weapon imo. if you are on defense, you can buy your squad critical time to fight off an approaching squad by laying down suppresive fire. it is also very accurate over long distances so i use it when camping a defensive position.

    when offensive ganz use is desired, the most effective way i have found to use it is to be near the back of the advancing squad that is leaproging its advance and needs some solid cover. crouch and cover the movements of your squadmates, then when its time to advance, i pull out my pistol and sprint to my next cover position. i usualy will grab the standard issue support gun if im attacking, or if im attacking in a close quarters map, ill grab the shotty instaid.


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    G key will pick up both your Glowey red shield and your little murder man.

    What you said about EMP nades is so true. If you are laying near your own ammo supply box, you can toss those things seemingly forever.

    We were trying to retake our base in Suez a couple weeks ago, and the enemy had our walker. I was on the slope down to the river, and had been laying suppressive fire as needed behind my glowey shield, when the walker came knocking.

    I threw so many EMPs at that thing that the driver eventually bailed out, ran over an shot me. He must have been angry or something. Would some cover fire have been nice? Yes it would have. Oh well

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    I play Support 90% of the time and find the role aptly named - you are supporting your squad with cover fire, ammo, EMP/grenade spamming, etc.



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    Re: Effective support role

    Quote Originally Posted by Boulderdash View Post
    More often than not I take up the support role in 2142 and often tote around the Ganz. (I didn't like it either when I first started using it, but after getting used to it it's very effective.) After playing several rounds at CG a few nights ago I was left feeling a little left out. My squad (EU) consisted of a few assaults, a sniper and me and was on a roof by harbor shelling the gate. I kept the squad supplied and while the battle raged below me I discovered I was a little bit bored.

    I honestly had nothing to shoot at and my sentry gun barely made a peep. Since then I've had one question going through my head: what is the best role for someone using support with the Ganz? I don't mind being there for supplies, it's my job. But in some situations the support load out isn't effective. I can't just go off on my own, and even if I wanted to I'd get killed in shot order. So what is the most effective way to use the support kit in a squad besides ammo?

    I see a lot of people just plopping the sentry gun in the middle of no where and it getting taken out within seconds. It's much more effective to lay down covering fire for an embedded squad or watch the back was to the squads position. A poor knifer learned that the hard way last night. I had the sentry around the corner and I heard the knife unsheathe and then the sentry go at it.

    The other role I find myself playing quite often is EMP grenader. It can buy a whole squad enough time to book in the other direction or lay down mines/c4. The one thing that support lacks the the ability to push into a tight area. Your much better being the initial member into an open area (i.e. toll station), lay fire, rest of squad rush and provide covering fire.

    What are everyone else's thoughts on how to be more effective in this role? I see a ton of ideas about the assault kit, but the poor support role is left in the dust.
    Boulderdash, you might remember me from a few nights back, when we played a few good maps together in the TG squad. I think Sc1ence was there. I'm primarily a support player myself, and I load up with the Ganz, EMP grenades and the sentry gun so I know what you're describing here.

    One of my disappointments is that most squad leaders (not all) treat support personnel as glorified ammunition mules. As someone lugging around a very powerful LMG, I'd expect to get instructions from the SL to 'lay covering fire' or 'keep their heads down while we advance' with my very awesome and destructive Ganz LMG.

    I know that when I hear the distinctive sound of a Ganz as it rattles off and the ground starts popping around my feet as he/she ranges in, I start looking for some serious cover. I wish SL's were a little more aware of his fact and utilized their support personnel in that fashion. Even if they're not hitting me, yet, I'm not willing to stand around and let them zero in.

    A parting comment on the sentry gun placement: One of my favorite places is to put it in the midst of some bushes. Especially inside the courtyard of the Church control point (the name of the map escapes me). I was on the other end of the map, and racked up a dozen kills (including a few TGers that should have known better) before it was taken out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorax74 View Post
    - you are supporting your squad with cover fire, ammo, EMP/grenade spamming, etc.
    Very true!
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    Re: Effective support role

    I think a support unit can make a very effective offensive unit but you can't rush into fighting situations. You will have to stay low and wait until you are in the right position to commence firing. Everyone thinks it takes ages to get accurate but the GANZ after a couple of seconds is as accurate as anything and can kill in a matter of seconds. I have used it many times offensively recently and the team i am against never has an answer for it.

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    Re: Effective support role

    With the addition of NS, support received a new tool, the IDS. When I go support, I always take this with me. Drop it on a flag if you have to leave it undefended. Put it on the corner of buildings before heading around to see how crowded it might be on the other side. If on the city maps, throwing up it up on the ceiling in the center of the building usually covers the whole building for you. I believe it is most effective when you are on Defense. Using it to cover the corners of your defended area. But as I said before, place it before turning a corner really gives you a heads up.

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    Re: Effective Support Role

    Often times support is a decoy/distraction as much as it is a re-supplier. Covering fire and suppressive fire can be a great asset to your team. Lay down suppressive fire so that your Assault/Medics can send in rockets or covering fire while your squad retreats/advances. It is usually a good strategy to have your SL move behind the squad so you can stick with him to ensure your squad achieves it's objective. You should also be looking for a great spot across from or above your squad members to cover them while they are on the move.

    It makes sense that if your class doesn't seem to be good at something then that probably isn't what it is made for. Despite what BF:Vietnam may have shown you, a heavy machine gun is not made for close-quarters combat.

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    Re: Effective Support Role

    I always supply the IDS and EMP's now. If I'm PAC on carebear, I'll take the sentry instead of EMP's. I find the sentry is just not as useful to my squad as EMPs are, when they are finally needed.

    When I'm EU I maintain an IDS at the forward position of Toll Station and in Berlin I maintain an IDS on the flag at Crossroads.
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    Re: Effective Support Role

    Quote Originally Posted by DirtyLude View Post
    I always supply the IDS and EMP's now. If I'm PAC on carebear, I'll take the sentry instead of EMP's. I find the sentry is just not as useful to my squad as EMPs are, when they are finally needed.

    When I'm EU I maintain an IDS at the forward position of Toll Station and in Berlin I maintain an IDS on the flag at Crossroads.
    Right on. If I can make a reasonable assumption that my team will not have to deal with heavy vehicles, only then will I replace the EMPs with a sentry. I love automated bullet shooters as much as the next guy, but it simply can't be compared to stopping armor from molesting your team.

    A corollary to this is that supports MUST carry EMPs on any NS maps.

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    Re: Effective Support Role

    Boulder, the Ganz is very effective at laying down coordinated suppressive fire. It has good accuracy over long ranges as well as good stopping power. If you find yourself a bit bored while your squad is engaging/engaged. Lay down some covering fire for them or provide some distraction for enemies with your Ganz.
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    Re: Effective Support Role

    Ok well what i have learned from bf2 is that the support isnt for taking out the enemy it is for covering fire and suppressing people so the rest ofd the squad can move in. One example is if there is a allie that your squad has to get by you dont know if there is a enemy so you set up your support guy to cover your andvance so while he is spraying the allies you move. Alll of a sudden you se a head pop up and then strat down you now know there is a enemy. Now he wont pop his head up because he knows that the support will take him out so the squad leader or the point man just needs to throw a nade at him and there you go. Now this is what i learned from bf2 tournament but i think it is the most effective way to use the support not as a man with a heavy gun ramboing it all out but as a guy covering a area and suppressing the enemy so the squad can move up and nade the opp.

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    You can always take the shotgun and be the point man.

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