Karnstein

Voss vs krylov in cqc? I think that the krylov is slightly better, that is my personal opinion based on the weapon numbers, my gaming experience and the comments made by better players than me in "voss broken?" topics on other forums like fevergaming or totalbf. The voss is surely a good gun, but it isn't broken and it has the worst accuracy of all AR weapon. For me the krylov works better at cqc because its deviation while strafing is smaller than that of the voss and the deviation reduction is higher. I'm fare more effective mowing down targets using a zoomed krylov with controlled bursts of 3-5 shots while strafing than shooting them with the voss using strafe+zoom. And on singleshot at 45-50+ meters the krylov is awesome in my eyes, the deviation and its reduction is so good, that it is fare easier to hold the crosshair on a moving target (and its head) than the baur, which is one of my fav weapons but has a recoil like a mule.

Both weapons need 6 torso hits against heavy armour to kill an enemy, unless you pull of a headshot, so it surely should not be a problem for an about average player to kill 3 people in cqc with the krylov without reloading. And the pac pistol isn't bad either as a rescue weapon against the last man standing.

Disagree on what? Could you please be more specific?

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Fovos

personally even if i unlocked all the weapons, i find myself using the basic krylov all the time.!

Concr3te

It's true that the Krylov's accuracy is godlike, I played with the Krylov a couple of rounds and ended up with massive kills but it's so darn easy to use that I don't think it's fun anymore, though also it's reload time is almost as long as the Voss' and it's really annoying to keep reloading. Personally I like weapons with a good accuracy and stuff but I prefer the Voss because of its nice bursting power at medium range and the Baur, well I don't really know; it's just a nice gun. I do agree with you on the PAC pistol; that thing's really good!

Karnstein

Hm, the krylov has the same reload time as any other ar rifle and the lambert, except the baur. And I don't view myself as a more than average player, so I don't credit myself with the skills to pull off "kill 3+ guys in a few seconds" stunts on a regular base. So it is either a 1 vs 1 (or 2) or a large firefight with a whole squad on each side for me, which means I do not have the need for those extra 10 bullets the voss gives me. Either I got the time to reload in a rather "secure" surrounding or I'm having the luck to ambush a couple of enemy players, which gives me the chance to kill them with a combined effort of AR+pistol. In any other scenario I would rather be dead because of a better enemy player or huge numerical superiority before I even have the need to reload in the middle of ongoing gunfight.

I think the voss is a nice gun and I had a lot of fun playing with it for getting assault silver, but I like the baur and the krylov more. Depending on the map I either stick with the krylov for a whole round as PAC or switch between it and the baur. As EU I always use the baur, because I think of it as a gun which trains it user. It isn't as forgiving as the the other AR rifles but it truely is "the poor mans sniper rifle", which really fits my style after playing most of my first 60h using sniper rifles.

In my opinion there is no "best AR" (best = more efficent than the rest), it is only a matter of personal favor. The krylov is a very good allrounder, it packs enough accuracy and punch for killing people on a medium-long distance using single shot (and you also have the PK rockets for those annoying snipers) and its good rpm and thight cone of fire makes it a good gun for a cqc when you like to shoot the enemy with small burst while strafing. On most maps you can't dictate the distance of firefight every time and on a battlefield where the situation changes constantly a allrounder is in my eyes a better option tha a specialised weapon.

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Tsuoz250rdrK

The krylov is the easiest assault weapon for me to shoot. It seems mild mannered and I am confident when fireing it. I would choose the specialized guns (voss and baur) over the krylov depending on the situation though. On rare occasions where I need a gun that is efficient in short and long ranges, i'll dust off the old krylov and rack up some kills.

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Kitteh

Yeah, I agree the Krylov is a fun weapon to screw around with sometimes
But I stick with the Baur and the Voss

When I first tried out actually USING the Krylov, It felt like it didnt pack any power behind each shot, but it definatly made up for it in consistancy of fire and low recoil and moderate accuracy
I think of it as, a baby Baur, and a wannabe Voss

Reload time is the exact same as the Scar 11, believe it or not
and thats all I gotta say

Major Silva

So judging by the Krylov and the PAC pistol they seem to have a tiny advantage.
When I played the demo and all I had was my krylov I seemed to rack up loads more kills than any other weapon and usually came first with the krylov over the other guns. However now I have the assault tree almost maxed out, I'd choose the baur anyday.

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Anospa

I find myself using the Voss almost always because as squad we'll usually always be on the move and I find myself wanting a faster gun and more ammo because I usually volunteer to take point. On bigger maps, I'll go Baur because usually don't end up in CQC as often. Also, if I know my squad is going to be defending most of the time, I'll go Baur to pick off people as they come up, or if we're attacking, Voss because of reasons above.

Really see the ARs as being very balanced in terms of their use and situations they excel at.

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Aerosecurity

Seconded. I tend to use the Voss when I'm playing on EU because it feels pretty much like the Krylov in terms of variation, damage, and kick. The Krylov is probably better at close range combat because it's slightly more accurate. I do know that if you fire a single round directly between the eyes, with a voss, it's instant death, I'm not sure if it's the same with the Krylov, but generally 2 shots in the head with any assault rifle is death (and both the Voss and Krylov put at least 2 rounds within a inch/50m distance of eachother::Not tested:.

I don't have much experience with the Baur, but I do know that it too works well at close range due to it's shear stopping power compared to the Krylov and Voss. I have tried using it numerous times, and found that I have trouble hitting ranged targets because of the sights, but I bet once I got used to it, it would be a very nice weapon to have, indeed. Generally, both the Krylov and Voss work well at mid range (40m to 100m): firing two round bursts at medium range will generally take down a target relatively quickly, but lose effectiveness past 120m.

Krylov vs. Voss: Generally, I found that when facing a Krylov in 1 vs 1 combat at 10m, the Krylov will win about 65% of the time because of it's ability to place the first 3 rounds into your body with excellent accuracy. If you can survive the first 3 rounds, you will generally win with the Voss if you are aiming at their center of mass and holding down the trigger.

In conclusion, it all depends on how well you can use your weapon. The assualt rifles are all well balanced, you just have to find the one you are most comfortable with.

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Tarenth

Statistically speaking (unless they've changed things around a bit since I last checked the game files) the Krylov and Voss are exactly the same in range, damage, and deviation per shot except the Voss will have more of a 'kick' in single shot than the Krylov and it gets 10 rounds more.

The Baur (obviously) has a larger kick and longer maximum 'short' range, but the damage at long range is surprisingly similar to the Krylov and Voss (think it was 4 points of damage more at long range more than the Krylov and Voss).

The SCAR is saddly like the bastard child of the AR family. It has a shorter 'short range' than all the guns (I think it was 10 yards shorter than the Krylov and Voss) so you will do less damage with its bigger medium/long range. It does have a smaller bullet fall giving it a longer 'long range' but it kicks just a bit less than the Baur and the scope sucks.

Oddly enough I can't remember the site that shows all the game specs for the weapons so I can't recheck what I remember.

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Relmar

The key to using the Krylov effectively is putting your crosshairs on the enemy you want to shoot, squeezing the trigger, and making sure their HP reaches zero before yours does. Once you've mastered that, you've mastered the Krylov!

Acreo Aeneas

It's highly accurate. I'd aim for the person's neck area and do bursts of 5 rounds or so in quick succession. Usually, for me, 1 clip is good enough for 2-3 enemies.

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ikill4aliving

i like the krylov, but as said before, it is personal preference. I hate the Baur mostly because it only has 20 bullets/clip and i like to hold down my trigger to kill. Voss is what i use on the EU side

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Urit

How to use the Krylov:

Step 1: point at target.
Step 2: pull trigger.

Pablo

Darn, I knew I was doing something wrong. That would explain all those deaths...