SVD_Sniper

the point here, is not weather or not you have an otus, its wether or not you have a competent sniper or an incompetent one or a lambert user or a sniper. As the otus does little harm, there is no reason why not to take that too.

Yes - although most people wouldnt ask the sniper to stay amongst the squad. What I mean is that he is the 3rd man into the fray, not the last - as I think would often be assumed.


you are NOT a lone sniper taking on a squad of assault players. you are something along the lines of 4 meds, a sniper and a support vs 5 meds and a support. the sniper will often give the edge in a gun/rocket fight. Also, the main point about the tip above is that the first salvo will not harm you. It is usually only after no damage/kill indication appears from the first salvo that the rocketeers will range it *even* further back - giving you time to drop one of them, or maybe harm a reviver. you have a precision that rifle rockets do not have, and a better ability to hit moving targets.
As far as the team killing thing goes - Does that apply even if both parties involved consent to it, and actually pull out of the heat to do so? Its really ajust a point of interest as I cant play on the TG server due to ping (Im in the UK) but use the forums as it is the best place I have found to discuss 2142 intelligently...well, the next comment doesnt help back me up there , but,
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This answers nothing, as I was not asking what an otus does.

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I use the 3 call rule: If I ask you for ammo/health/repairs 3 times and you just stand there and look at me, im TK'ing you and taking what I need.

WaffleHousChef

Yes, very much so. The two cornerstones of TG play are The TG primer and the Server rules and guidelines.

The relevant primer section is:

and even the server guidelines address this issue:

Teamkilling for profit, is not acceptable on TG servers regardless if there is consent as it would fall under the Aegis of suicide tactics because one party is willing to submit to suicide in this case. It also breaks the spirit of the primer because no real soldier would let themselves be killed simply to hand their equipment over to another, nor would it ever be asked to occur in the first place.

It is perfectly acceptable to kit swap for revives, as long as you then play the kits as swapped or swap back if there is a third party kit around to make the swap. It is not acceptable to intentionally kill one person to perform a kit swap so that you are back to your original kits.

Also, your sig, while most likely a joke is against the TG server rules for the same reasons. People tend to play their kits so you wouldn't have cause to do that, but it's certainly not in the "TG spirit."

SVD_Sniper

I dont actually operate that "3 call rule" for a multitude of reasons, and its not original either - I guess I should put it in a quote wrapper thing...

Also, Sorry I didnt read the server rules/mentality, but its because I'm only here for the forums , not in any way the game server (is that accpeptable by the way - to use only the forum, and not the game servers?)...Unless anyone knows of a way to lower pings over the atlantic?

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SharinganTH1422

I have no complaints about what anyone has said since I posted last I basically agree with most of it, except SVD_Sniper saying that the Lambert is useless, along with other pieces of equipment with it, which I will address now.

No way.

No arguments there

Well, The Lambert is one of the most accurate, plus low-recoil, full-auto guns in the game.

WHAT!?!?!?! You're telling me that the recon rifles, that are not even semi-auto. they seem more like bolt-action the way you have to wait a little before each shot, and with clip capacities of 6 or 7 at the highest, have a higher fire rate than the Lambert?????

Well that's like saying, "You shouldn't be an engineer because you won't get a defib, but u cant be assault because you won't get motion mines." You can say that for any kit, you shouldn't be that kit because you'll be missing out on something from another kit, you're always going to, miss out on something.

And it is possible to use the stabilizer, don't know why you missed that out.

Yep, never liked camo unless in special circumstances. But very useful if you are ordered to go behind enemy lines.

And as I said before, only n00bs blow up their own team.

More like one of the most useful pieces of equipment in the game, but, whatever.


Look who's coming round to APMs.

Well they can be used like that, but only really for camping snipers, but being a keen knifer, I never walk up to a prone sniper, and I'm always on the lookout for APMs, in fact, APMs leads the sniper into a false sense of security, because they think they're protected, so they never bother to move and/or look around for dog-tag collectors. Camping snipers are not very much liked here at TG, and no-one here does it, so that's for another time and place.

APMs are so useful, you can defend and attack with them, being chased while running back and out of ammo? just drop an APM and sprint round the corner. If the person can't react fast enough, you've got a kill, but if they can crouch or prone, at least you've slowed them down. Putting them around corners and small chokepoints can get you combat efficiency pins and explosive awards left right and center, even just chucking them randomly in the middle of nowhere can sometimes get you a kill, as n00bs or sloppy players that are off guard don't see the small device. Also good in situations like when taking a flag, e.g. how many times have I put a well-disguised APM somewhere along the pathway to the Command Center at Cerbere, and got kills that would have been much more difficult and life-threatening had I been lying there prone as they came up the steps, maybe even facong the other way, and getting knifed, or at least only standing half a chance.

Overall on the Lambert, it is useful, as you can have a good light assault rifle, with Recon equipment, which I think is awesome, and for some reason, everyone else seems to hate with a passion. Its high fire-rate is immense, and when you can aim at the chest or higher, you can really make their life bar run down fast. At distances, i can easily hit people as close to the head as possible with a few single shots, the n when the person starts to react to getting shot, I switch to full-auto, and mark the person a lot. I don't usually kill, but I do very much soften them up, and I'm used to seeing a kill-damage assist being awarded to me not too long after. But after all, the Lambert is about fighting CQB, with a recon kit, its the only gun you can do it with in the recon kit. I mean how am I going to kill an engineer healing a walker with a sniper up close, and then taking out the walker with RDX.

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WaffleHousChef

No worries, as long as you don't mind people telling you about it over and over. It would be worth reading so that you know where all of the rest of us are coming from. I would recommend taking a peek.

And, certainly your level of participation is not going to be an issue. Enjoy the forums, just keep in mind that the self-imposed rules and mindset that are applied to the servers will influence the discussion and attitudes here on the forums.

We have two seperate in-house squads specifically for Euros. So, I'd say that they've found a way to be effective even across the pond.

SVD_Sniper

Im going to overlook the points we agree on - for the sake of saving my precious calories

No, that is not what I'm telling you. Im telling you that the assault rifles available for assault (the SCAR11, Krylov, Voss and Baur) have better accurracies, damages and RoF's in most cases, and as such are better weapons than the lambert.

That is not really what I'm saying at all. If you take the lambert, and you do not have RDX, you are an assaul without medpacks, revive ability or (the overpowered) AR rockets. If you have RDX, you add anti-armour capabilities to your role, which can be useful as a lambert is usually better than an SMG.


There is no point wiht the lambert - Even I, a passionate critic of the cammo would rather take that if I had a lambert (for whatever reason).

It happens. It really is as simple as that.

No, I am being fair and giving credit where its due. They are no where near the most useful bit of kit ingame, but they do have uses. Its part of unbiased logical analysis.

If he is repairing, he is probably standing still. Shoot him in the head. with regards to your points about the lambert hurting then going full auto, I have to add that a baur/krylov would have killed them in that semiauto phase. The Lambert is good if you want an antiarmour kit for dealing with one tank/walker/apc,then spending the rest of the time fighting infantry. If you are engaging 2 heavy veichles, engineer is better, if you are engaging infatry, assault is better. The lambert has a place, but it is simply too limited to be a sustainable option, its something you may do for 2 minutes of a round not for 15 consecutive spawns.

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SVD_Sniper

Sorry for doublepost!

Noted, and also on the euro squads - can I ask which numbers they are? Encouraging stuff, thankyou

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Anospa

Hey, SVD, go back and read my post again to see what I say about the Otus and why it really is impossible to give elevation/distance through Voicecomms.

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SharinganTH1422

Yes, I would also like to know that info please, I'm located in the UK too.

I will be doing the same, and also won't be responding to things I misunderstood and you clarified.


I'm not too sure about accuracy and rate of fire, but yes, The Lambert bullets are weak, but its other advantage is decent clip capacity, and quicker reloads than most other assault rifles.

Well, usually I do pack some RDX, but still, its the only kit with camo, which i'm not a great fan of, but again, for going behind enemy lines and taking out dominating walkers by combining with RDX, and also taking out CO's toys. And I just love APMs, end of.

Well, I did try it out once or twice, and its not bad, keeps it very steady, and decreases recoil dramatically, sometimes if I'm in the mood, I pack it with me, and it can be very effective, before you know it, every time you zoom with your Lambert you're holding down shift without a second thought, and it does help.

Not to me. I'm always very careful, the only time I TK with RDX, is if I have all 5 on the reactor core, and my teammates a running around, not moving away from it, and I have no choice but to detonate, as people are coming through in huge numbers.

Yes, i got that, just messin dude,

Well, we'll have to agree to disagree there, draw a line under it, and not bother to discuss it further, as it completely depends on opinions and style of play.


Agreed.

I know a number of engineers that move while repairing to avoid that, and if I'm rushing the vehicle, I don't want to stand still and aim in the middle of the field, with the walker taking me out at anytime, I would probably be using the camo (sorry I didn't mention that earlier), then when I got so close the walker would find it difficult to see me, I would take out the Lambert. And if the driver or the guy in the AA realised what was going on, (which occasionally happens when the engineer stops suspiciously for no reason, and then screams "Mediic!") they might jump out, and with a sniper, I wouldn't be able to do much, but with RDX in my hands, and the guy coming out of the walker, without situational awareness, we would be at equal disadvantages, and I might be able to take the guy out with my Lambert.

Yes, I know that, give me some credit, I do use assault as well.

I agree with your analysis(The Lambert is good if you want an antiarmour...if you are engaging infatry, assault is better), but not quite your conclusion (there onwards). I'm the type of player that likes to fight as many people as possible, even as a sniper with no explosives, I still look to get underneath the walker and shoot it with the powerful sniper as many times as possible, that's just the type of person I am, I usually have the most deaths in the game, . Being a recon with a Lambert, RDX and APMs gives me so much freedom to fight who I want. I can tackle almost any type of player, at almost any range (except long range snipers and Baur users ), and thats the type of player I am. I can follow orders, and use any kit well, but I'm at my best when I'm not limited.

And also, APMs, RDX, and a Lambert. That's 100% about destruction, Recon is just about killing, no easy points by healing/reviving/repairing/resupplying, it's just you killing people any way you can, and I love it.

Crap, I'm siging that (APMs, RDX, and a Lambert. That's 100% about destruction, Recon is just about killing, no easy points by healing/reviving/repairing/resupplying, it's just you killing people any way you can, and I love it.)

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...If you can dream--and not make dreams your master,
If you can think--and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same...

johnflenaly

How is it impossible to give elevation/distance through voice comms? Come play ARMA, trust me you can. I can see were having the nme on the mini map as apossed to the hud could be useful.

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Guardianx11x

Come on. That is complete rubbish. In my experience if they are within 10m you will not hit that shot reliably. Also, chances are its two assaults vs. sniper+assault. You get your butt kicked.

Ummm....he got shot and is still alive....that IS a second chance!

Wrong Wrong Wrong. If this were true, use the shotgun. The only great thing about the sniper rifle is that you can kill people with one shot from a SAFE DISTANCE.

Stop talking about injuring the enemy, supports/assaults/engineers are all thinking kill....and you're thinking