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    Best Scenarios for using SLSB or Drone

    Id like to hear thoughts on what situations a SLB would be best, and which the Otus. I dont lead squads often so share the wisdom!

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    Re: Best Scenarios for using SLB or Drone

    I used to be a firm believer in the SLB, but after using the Otus more often..that has changed. Most time I think that you are better off having the SM's spawn on you, but you need to stay alive. I have learned that staying alive and providing more intel is more important that the SLB.
    If you are going to go accross thw map and be far from a CP, than I would take a beacon and drop it close to you objective. Then come back in with an Otus if killed. The situations will dictate what you need and when you need it.
    Different SL's will use different items at different times(not much of an answer). You really have to decide which is better for your situation. Go with a few different SLs and notice how they operate, watch some of the videos posted, and just check the responses here. Great question though.



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    Re: Best Scenarios for using SLB or Drone

    Quote Originally Posted by MDFubar View Post
    ...If you are going to go across the map and be far from a CP, than I would take a beacon and drop it close to you objective. Then come back in with an Otus if killed...
    This is pretty much my take on it. Very rarely do I run with the SLB these days unless we are trying to break through on maps like Berlin or Gibraltar...



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    Also have to know when to not use the otus. Experienced players will pick the noise out and find you. Also, you may be hiding behind a wall real well, but that bullet magnet floating overhead is shouting to everyone nearby that you're a sneaky bastard waiting to die.

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    Re: Best Scenarios for using SLB or Drone

    Please for the love of all that is good in bf if you don't bring the beacon do NOT get involved in the major fight or be the led on the way to a back flag, stay back near the end of line and just let us know where you want to go. There is nothing worse than nearly taking a flag and then having to start over from base because the SL got too involved with the fighting.

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    Re: Best Scenarios for using SLB or Drone

    Quote Originally Posted by MDFubar View Post
    I used to be a firm believer in the SLB, but after using the Otus more often..that has changed. Most time I think that you are better off having the SM's spawn on you, but you need to stay alive. I have learned that staying alive and providing more intel is more important that the SLB.
    If you are going to go accross thw map and be far from a CP, than I would take a beacon and drop it close to you objective. Then come back in with an Otus if killed. The situations will dictate what you need and when you need it.
    Different SL's will use different items at different times(not much of an answer). You really have to decide which is better for your situation. Go with a few different SLs and notice how they operate, watch some of the videos posted, and just check the responses here. Great question though.
    I agree that you'll best find the answer through watching other SLs, and doing it yourself. I think most people know that I rarely carry a beacon, and it does become a bit of an issue when enemy COs decide to drop their OS on the only guy with a drone, but other than that, I like the wallhacking ability too much to give it up for anything else.

    However, I do not swap in a drone after placing a beacon, because if the beacon is destroyed, your squad can no longer spawn on you until you find a kit with a beacon in it and redeploy/pick it up to restore the spawn point.

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    Re: Best Scenarios for using SLB or Drone

    When I Squad lead, I very rarely use a beacon. The only time I really carry a beacon is in Suez when i'm trying to capture that back flag, and I can put the beacon on top of the building. Every other time, I use a drone.

    Generally speaking, if you're a good squad leader with good squad members, the beacon is actually a very negative device. I think many SLs use the beacon as a crutch. If you're not using the beacon and you're the squad leader, you have a LOT more responsbility. As with everything else, good SLs thrive with that responsibility, and bad ones are suffocated.

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    Please for the love of all that is good in bf if you don't bring the beacon do NOT get involved in the major fight or be the led on the way to a back flag, stay back near the end of line and just let us know where you want to go. There is nothing worse than nearly taking a flag and then having to start over from base because the SL got too involved with the fighting.
    This isn't always true. While I agree with the general sentiment, here's a few things to consider: First, when going for a back flag, often the front man is the safest member of the team. Second, sometimes to promote cohesion in a squad that isn't entirely made up of top-notch TG members, a squad leader has to phsyically lead. People are pretty good at following the leader, but are decidedly worse at taking the initiative to take point. Third, sometimes it's good for the squad leader to go down first. If he goes down first, chances are very high he'll get a revive and be able to get out of dodge. If he goes down third or fourth, the chances are lower.

    That being said, I do agree generally. Squad leaders need to recognize that their spawn point is perhaps the singlemost valuable thing they possess. Charging in wildly into an enemy that outnumbers you is stupid. If you're sitting outside of ruin in Camp Gibraltar because you broke through, but there are enemies in the base, it'd be a very bad choice to take the lead in that attack. Also, my second point rarely applies when the squad is made up of some of the best TG members -- especially if they've played with each other for a while. They're very likely to know what to do and not need the extra help of following the big number on their minimap.
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    Re: Best Scenarios for using SLB or Drone

    I find the SLB is best used for 3 purposes.

    1. To provide a safety spawn point when a flag that you are defending goes neutral or gets very hot. in this case, I will drop a beacon, and then find a way to equip otus, often by switching kits with a squadmate. I typically ask the squad to spawn on it only if they need to so we don't give away its location.

    2. When attacking a well fortified area where the death of the squad leader is high probability and the distance to the nearest spawn point would take over 45 seconds to move on foot. For example, attacking toll booth on Camp Gibraltar. It is more likely I will use it in this situation if my squadmates know how to steer their drop pods. For example, if i drop a beacon right outside of tollbooth, I can steer my pod to land on the roof of the central camp flag. I rarely do this however, as it seems pretty cheap and my squad usually can not steer their pods as effectively as I.

    3. When making a lone wolf push behind enemy lines for the sole purpose of planting a beacon. I do this to avoid the large radar signature of a full squad. my squad can be attacking or defending a location while I try to get behind enemy lines.


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    Re: Best Scenarios for using SLB or Drone

    did not think of bringing the Otus on the next spawn, pretty clever. i also find with using the Otus you pretty much need a medic by your side in urban fighting. it is a bit of a bullet magnet and requires more teamwork and keeping within a sprints distance to keep the leader up and the squad moving. but like sc1ence said, if youre doing sneaky-sneaky, the SLB is best for sustaining an attack on a flank flag. and how do you steer those pods, i could never figure it out.

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    Re: Best Scenarios for using SLB or Drone

    i'm not really sure we should be encouraging steering of pods. Spinning your pod so that you don't land right where someone is camping is one thing, but steering it to get over walls and such seems against the TG way. Just my two cents.

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    Re: Best Scenarios for using SLB or Drone

    I bring a beacon simply because I have all the points for my Squad Leader Silver and Gold badges, but need beacon spawns in order to get the badge. However I also use the beacon as a 'JICSH' when defending a flag deep in hostile territory. I can field unlock the Otus and generally swap it into my pack after the beacon is on the field.

    Its handy to have a beacon on defense because while actively defending you and your squad can spawn on the point you are defending and if you're pushed off you can spawn on the beacon and counterattack the counterattack.
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    Re: Best Scenarios for using SLB or Drone

    Quote Originally Posted by Zoraster View Post
    i'm not really sure we should be encouraging steering of pods. Spinning your pod so that you don't land right where someone is camping is one thing, but steering it to get over walls and such seems against the TG way. Just my two cents.
    To stop this from getting too far off topic, I have started another thread on this issue.


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    Re: Best Scenarios for using SLB or Drone

    Most of the time I use the Drone. It proves to be the most valueble to me in most situations. Also, heres a thread discussing the Otus. http://www.tacticalgamer.com/battlef...-scanners.html


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    Re: Best Scenarios for using SLB or Drone

    I always use the drone, except for the specialist high-risk cases that sc1ence mentioned above. You'll find that the Otus gets a lot more use here on the TG server than on others. The situational awareness the Otus gives your squad is just too big an advantage for me to pass up.

    The drone also fits with my SL style. I'm a very hands-off leader, preferring not to engage from the front so I don't lose awareness. I let my squad members do their job of the actual shooting so I can do my job of coordinating them.

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    Re: Best Scenarios for using SLB or Drone

    Quote Originally Posted by Zoraster View Post
    When I Squad lead, I very rarely use a beacon. The only time I really carry a beacon is in Suez when i'm trying to capture that back flag, and I can put the beacon on top of the building. Every other time, I use a drone.

    Generally speaking, if you're a good squad leader with good squad members, the beacon is actually a very negative device. I think many SLs use the beacon as a crutch. If you're not using the beacon and you're the squad leader, you have a LOT more responsbility. As with everything else, good SLs thrive with that responsibility, and bad ones are suffocated.



    This isn't always true. While I agree with the general sentiment, here's a few things to consider: First, when going for a back flag, often the front man is the safest member of the team. Second, sometimes to promote cohesion in a squad that isn't entirely made up of top-notch TG members, a squad leader has to phsyically lead. People are pretty good at following the leader, but are decidedly worse at taking the initiative to take point. Third, sometimes it's good for the squad leader to go down first. If he goes down first, chances are very high he'll get a revive and be able to get out of dodge. If he goes down third or fourth, the chances are lower.

    That being said, I do agree generally. Squad leaders need to recognize that their spawn point is perhaps the singlemost valuable thing they possess. Charging in wildly into an enemy that outnumbers you is stupid. If you're sitting outside of ruin in Camp Gibraltar because you broke through, but there are enemies in the base, it'd be a very bad choice to take the lead in that attack. Also, my second point rarely applies when the squad is made up of some of the best TG members -- especially if they've played with each other for a while. They're very likely to know what to do and not need the extra help of following the big number on their minimap.
    I don't know, a common practice on TG servers now is "frag the corpse" if the SL goes down, and there is a good possibility that the other team will know you are the SL because of the drone, a nade or two will keep your SMs from being able to revive you in time. There are pros and cons for being in the front or rear, I would generally say that the SL would be better towards the rear, of course the SMs have to follow orders for that to work. You are right about that.

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