FrankHelicoptr

Zoraster here are your stats for the said two weapons....

...............................Shots......Hits.... ...Accuracy
Krylov FA-37 AR.........19385.....4329.........22.3% Averaging 6.6 hits/clip
Voss L-AR.................54310.....15909...,....29.3% Averaging 11.6 hits/clip

My point is that the stats don't reflect any advantage to the accuracy of the Krylov. The only evidence I have heard supporting Krylov supremacy in action is purely anecdotal. Enjoy your placebo.

Bommando

Bear in mind that many people started the game with the stock guns, so likely had already improved greatly with the game by the time they started using the unlocks. Also, rockets greatly skew these stats, since they count towards accuracy.

A guy who noobs it up with the Krylov when they start the game, then switches to the Voss when they get better and unlock it will naturally show better stats. Also, the later you unlock the rockets, the later your accuracy starts to soar. My accuracy with the Krylov is about 2% lower than the Voss. 28 and 30% respectively. Having said that, I have much more time with the Voss and only started using the Krylov again more recently. Of course, I still have most time and accuracy with the Baur at 38%, but I would never consider using this weapon in competition play, because it just isn't as versatile as the other two. The only accurate comparison for an individual would be if they provided graphs of your improvement with specific weapons over time.

Also, the experience on pub servers is very different to competitive play. It's when you come face to face in skirmish situations with players of high ability on a regular basis that the feel of the Krylov just comes to its own. Comp players loot Krylovs with great regularity in all matches I see. There has to be a reason for this pattern.

I'm not saying you're wrong Frank, it's just what we have observed.

Zoraster

yeah, as bommando said, my voss is mostly from the first month of playing. i've only recently started using the krylov in regular games again. i used the voss exclusively from about february up until a few weeks ago.

i think i might test this on a secondary account just to see what happens as you could be right. it could be placebo at least in terms of pub servers.

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Anospa

All my assualt time comes from TG, I solely sniped before arriving here. Because of this, I did not know the truly destructiveness of the Krylov, so I only used the unlocks becase they would supposedly be better.

I think Bom's satement sums everything I've been trying to say in my posts.

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Bommando

Another thing the stats don't tell you is how these weapons are being used. When I first started SLing, I used a much more stand-off style, where I'd skirt the point of engagement and primarily spot for my squad and provide rocket suppression. The Baur is a perfect weapon for this type of play, since I could soften up targets with powerful and accurate semi-auto rounds while the squad cleaned them up (earning me a bunch of much-maligned kill damage assists ).

When I play mostly alone on Aussie servers, I need a weapon that allows me to butt heads with the enemy a lot more. On Titan attack, I'd choose the Voss due to the large mag size and the ability to take a quick 3 kills with a few rounds to spare. BTW: Anyone who tells you they are getting more than 3 kills per mag with any AR is either full of crap or shooting fish in a barrel point-blank. You have so many magazines and resupplies are so plentiful, that waiting to reload at any less than half a mag is just silly. You take as many bullets to a battle as you can handle.

In competition play, the SL needs to be able to defend himself in all situations and have the ability to drop their enemy as fast as possible at a variety of ranges. The Krylov is by far the most versatile weapon for this. The mag size of the Voss becomes inconsequential in comp play because chances are, if you're outnumbered 2 to 1, the quality of your opponents means you're dead before you even get to scope.

Another interesting stat which might be useful to players is the overall kills-per-minute with each weapon. Accuracy doesn't mean much if your opponent is still alive after you perfectly accurately fire not enough rounds to kill them. The rate-of-kills is a good indicator of a weapon's efficiency and the user's ability to adapt to its purpose.

My stats for example:

Baur KPM: 1.13
Voss KPM: 1.20
Krylov KPM: 1.22

As you can see, not much difference between them. Choose the right environment for your weapon and you'll excel with any of them.

Zoopy_T

Krylov vs Voss (Although the damage to extremities is off)

Krylov and Voss are basically the same except minor differences. Truth is, Krylov has a better spread and slightly more damage. The only advantages of the Voss is the clip size.

Of course this can be swayed by personal preferences.

Bommando

I'm glad you brought that up because I was going to mention one very important difference: The strafe deviation. The Krylov has half the deviation while strafing as the Voss and the Baur has 1/3 the deviation.

Since most people will tend to move sideways in close combat, the tighter groupings of both the Krylov and the Baur can really win out in "surprise" situations with the Voss. Provided you don't run out of ammo, you've got a much better chance with both.

Anospa

Usually if its above three, it is CQC, so I guess you sorta called me out on that. I guess its just my play style to only shoot at what I know I can hit/take out, no point in getting that guy's attention way down range if you're not gonna take him out easily.

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Bommando

Sorry, my intention wasn't to call you out. I just hear a lot of people talk about achieving very thrifty kill counts with a mag and it seems unrealistic. I guess it's because I'm just used to reloading so often.

Razcsak

This might be why I found it much more effective to drop to one knee and fire while stationary with the Voss. I almost always win Voss-Voss encounters this way, but the Krylov usually beats me if I try this.

Based on the thread, I might have to go back and try the Krylov in the fall, though last time I tried, the difference in the defib and rockets threw me off so much. I don't see why they don't address that in a patch.

D0ubl3Hel1x

This is very hard to get used to. I was using the Krylov this weekend and Ainselie was my SL and there were a couple times I tried to revive him and ending up shooting rockets at the poor guys face while he laid dead on the gorund.

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Anospa

Just gotta take that extra second to realize what key to press is all, frustrating though to say the least.

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Tarenth

When playing on PUBs you try to get as many kills per mag as possible because you never know when someone playing support will feel kind enough to hold out or toss down an ammo box. When playing on a TG server...it isn't so much an issue because your squad mates and team mates will try to top everyone off because they know a few extra rounds may mean the difference between staying alive/getting a revive and being overrun.

Of course the best way to squeeze out the most kills per mag is to treat your AR like an oversized pistol and walk around with semi-auto. A few shots to the head with dot sights of the Voss or Krylov means you can get at least 5-6 kills per mag at a resonable range. Going full auto will kill slightly faster in CQC, but you'll also spray out 3-5 times the number of bullets for the kill than needed.

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Zoopy_T

Solution: Kill the pubby support player, say you are sorry. Then swap kits, throw down a ammo hub, swap kits back and revive him.

Relmar

Sound advice. I use this tactic from time to time. Works wonders.