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Discussion: Battlefield 2142 / Battlefield 2142 - Tactics and Missions Discussion - The Herzog and You! - All right, I figured I'm going to shoot this out and write a small tutorial
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08-16-2007, 02:21 PM #1
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The Herzog and You!
All right, I figured I'm going to shoot this out and write a small tutorial how the Herzog (The Assualt Rifle Attachment) is a powerful secondary:
Note: This has absolutely nothing to do with the the Herzog being better than the Clark or the Rockets
Back when I first unlocked the Herzog, I found it pretty neat, but I found myself walking around with the Herzog out not my rifle and I realized I died a lot from it. Then for the pros out there, as time goes on you discover how the special way you play the game and your strengths. On the other hand Rockets are beautiful weapons, but let's say Rockets aren't for you or your not very good or appealed by them like me...
In a nut shell, the way I play the game is too close all the space between me and my opponent, utilize speed, and get in thier face. Chances are your going to destory an average players because if they're firing at you from a far chances are they aren't gonna switch to auto quick enough. But the negitive side to CQC is that now I'm where the enemy is.
This is probably why some people call me a machine lol...
Countless times as you engage someone they didn't have enough bullets to kill you so they reload or switch to a pistol. For a CQC type of guy, switching to a Herzog is alot quicker!!!!!!! Plus 1 shot 1 kill. For example with the Voss (I use proudly) You can knock down at least 4 guys with one clips, switch to the Herzog and get 2 or 3 more with the upgrade then finish off if your lucky 1 or 2 guys with a pistol.
Ok, now your probably thinking geez what a kill wh0re!! But check out these tips...
- Rockets can destory many people while they defend their flag, allowing troops to get there without recieving fire
+ With the Grenade, AR, Herzog, Pistol, Knife Combo (Sorry no room for Radar Grenades HAHAHA) you can wipe out 10 people and still get on the flag
+ You have 2 weapons at your disposal, the Rifle for Long and CQC plus the Herzog for Close quarter combat.
+ Light Armor with a headshot from the Herzog will die in one hit
+ 40 bullets from a Voss can kill and wound enough guys where finishing with the Herzog will be 1 hitters
+ Fun Fact: Running, Standing, Crouching, Prone do not effect the Herzog unlike the Clark (Though the Reticule is immobile on the screen)
+ Herzog will kill anyone from 15 meters and closing easy
**If you want to know more, PM me and I'll send you a big guide about the Assualt Rifle/Herzog Combo***
Final Note: Do not aim at the head, aim more at the neck, the bullets spread upward in 2142
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08-16-2007, 02:53 PM #2
Re: The Herzog and You!
Now that is worth knowing.
Originally Posted by Azura
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08-16-2007, 08:23 PM #3
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Re: The Herzog and You!
Defib > Herzog for CQC
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08-17-2007, 04:38 AM #4
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Re: The Herzog and You!
lol Defibs are ofcourse the ultimate cqc weapons with the help of radar grenades!
But I forgot to mention an important fact...
Reloading the Voss/Baur is almost 3 seconds (The animation is faster on the screen than it is actually able to be fired)
The basics are about 2 seconds with the same animation/first shot rate
Switching to the Herzog and firing is 1 second, if you rapidly quick you'll fire just before the animation finishes.
Fun Fact! A Voss and 4 Shots with a Herzog will just about take down a Walker!!!!
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08-17-2007, 06:50 AM #5
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Re: The Herzog and You!
Fun fact: Your right in amongst a bunch of enemies, so if you die, you wont be getting a revive
+ Also, friendly fire rockets and nades will stand a good chace of hitting you, so you can punish for a TK
[/sarcasm]I use the 3 call rule: If I ask you for ammo/health/repairs 3 times and you just stand there and look at me, im TK'ing you and taking what I need.
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08-17-2007, 09:32 AM #6
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Re: The Herzog and You!
Cute sniper. Originally Posted by SVD_Sniper
Fun fact: Your right in amongst a bunch of enemies, so if you die, you wont be getting a revive
+ Also, friendly fire rockets and nades will stand a good chace of hitting you, so you can punish for a TK
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Azura, I hope you realized before you posted this that everyone may potentially run in here and simply reply "defib+rocket>herzog+anything".
I will try to stear the thread away from that and state that in all seriousness I have noticed that the herzog shotgun can be VERY deadly. I love running around pumping people full of pellets just as much as the next guy but I can't help the fact that every time I equip the Herzog, I end up seeing some guy up on a monorail or behind cover and instictively switch to that slot only to realize there's not a damn thing I can do about it.
That being said however, I think you could be more effective with this setup simply because it is rare and unexpected. If someone starts taking rounds from a Voss and they duck for cover, after hearing the hiss-bang of the frag the last thing they expect is to poke there head out and be staring down the barrel of a shotty. They expect you to be off in the distance somewhere but there you are in their face. It's a bold setup that's for sure.
To add to that, I think that this is a setup that could work best in titan offense. If you have 4 medics do your really need 4 rockets on the titan? Maybe 2 rockets and 2 shotties? It could add value to the squad in this case.
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08-17-2007, 11:45 AM #7
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Usually I make fun of and discourage use of the Herzog. But today...as I was admiring my beauty in the mirror I asked myself "Guardian, why do you make fun of the Herzog?" (yes, I refer to myself in 3rd person by my 2142 gaming handle IRL). As I searched my soul it became clear that I am a long range kill whoring coward. Being a sissy is how I stay alive, and I know that if I get a Herzog...I'll make decisions based on my playstyle that will result quickly in my death.
Focus: Your mindset is very important in battle. If you and a twich killer who loves to breath down the neck of you enemy...The Herzog might be somthing you should seriously consider. While it is definatly not for me, I have seen it used correctly by battle hungry lunatics such as Azura. On the other side of the coin, I can see how Azura feels nurfed by the 20m min. range of rockets.
I'd like to see an increase in kit variety.Shhhh I'm being made
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08-17-2007, 11:54 AM #8
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Re: The Herzog and You!
I actually think that the kit loadouts are incredibly varied. I mean, if you could change rockets to 5m that'd be great, but you'd probably end up hurting yourself, or start the GL spam that BF2 could get going.
I gotta try the Herzog out again, but there's times where I'd want rockets instead. In terms of variety, I think the rockets are more fitting. But, if you can use your AR effectively, I think you can get rid of a lot of the need for rockets. Oh the choices!
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08-17-2007, 12:30 PM #9
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Re: The Herzog and You!
Dear Anospa, you misinterpreted my post.
I meant varied on a player to player basis. example: Instead of eveyone having rockets, maybe 3 of them might have the Herzog. Originally Posted by Anospa
Again, I never wanted anything like this.I mean, if you could change rockets to 5m that'd be great, but you'd probably end up hurting yourself, or start the GL spam that BF2 could get going.
Rockets are always useful for range. The point I was trying to make was that if you are the type of guy that is more comfortable up close, then rockets mignt not be the best weapon for you. Unfortunatly there is such a stigma placed on those that use the Herzog that they often dont, I'd like to see this changed.In terms of variety, I think the rockets are more fitting. But, if you can use your AR effectively, I think you can get rid of a lot of the need for rockets. Oh the choices!Shhhh I'm being made
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08-17-2007, 12:43 PM #10
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Re: The Herzog and You!
ROFL you just touched my tra la la la with that one!!! Originally Posted by Guardianx11x
This post makes me want to experiment again - my shotty attachment has loads of dust on it but your style of play matches my Charles Bonson DeathWish style so....
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08-17-2007, 01:04 PM #11
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Re: The Herzog and You!
I cry when I pick up a kit and see the double circles instead of my rangefinder Originally Posted by Guardianx11x
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08-17-2007, 01:21 PM #12
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Re: The Herzog and You!
You cry more when you pick up a kit and see both the "double circles" and the "rangefinder". LOL. No defib sux and no one can argue against that methinks. Originally Posted by Augustus Gloop
I cry when I pick up a kit and see the double circles instead of my rangefinder
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08-17-2007, 01:53 PM #13
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Re: The Herzog and You!
The rang on the herzog sucks so too much. You have to be about 5m from someone to one-shot them. Might as well knife/defib them at that range.
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08-17-2007, 03:27 PM #14
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Re: The Herzog and You!
Dear Guardian,
I'm dumb.
I wasn't really thinking in terms of a squad's loadout, so guess my point was moot.
I think after the next patch we're gonna see a bit of varied playstyles coming out.
Originally Posted by Guardianx11x
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08-17-2007, 03:46 PM #15
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Re: The Herzog and You!
Whoa whoa whoa slow down there!! I'm no battle hungry lunatic, I like to treat everybody as a fair enemy who stole my wallet and used my credit card on a couple purchases!!!!!!! >.< Originally Posted by Guardianx11x
I don't mind long range fighting at all though, but when there is 3 guys on a ledge I rather run up there and gun em all down... In a nice respective way ofcourse.
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