Which Engineer weapon do you prefer? - Page 4

**draeh** · 12-05-2007, 06:05 PM

I find that the SAAW missile will only keep tracking for about 3 seconds after the SAAW has lost its lock. After this, the missile flies off into oblivion. The other key is to hold the trigger so the SAAW will not reload. Holding the lock for as long as possible is absolutely key. With a good line of sight, the SAAW will hold a lock for the whole 300m weapon limit. It takes 2 SAAW missile to down a gunship at 100% health. It takes 3 to down a transport.

I wonder why your not getting the lock-on warning for the entire 15 seconds. I always hold the target locked-on until I get the HUD hit indicator.

I'll work on FRAPSing a SAAW usage video.

**MDFubar** · 12-05-2007, 06:30 PM

Great info draeh, I was wondering the same thing. Maybe now I can kill a few more gunships..........time to practice

**draeh** · 12-05-2007, 06:34 PM

Also... Highway Tampa is a SAAW users dream. Plenty of wide open space. Very few obstacles for a gunship to break the lock.

Also... just found this video on youtube of a SAAW taking out a tank.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90EnKdFip70

I'm gonna have to try this out.

EDIT: supposedly this ability was nerfed in the 1.40 patch... still worth a try.

Gigaknight · 12-10-2007, 10:30 PM

um can someone help me, i want to get the SAAW, but is it worth it ?

whats its damage v stuff ? how fast do the rockets fly ??

can anybody help me?

Firebane Cecil. · 12-10-2007, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Gigaknight

um can someone help me, i want to get the SAAW, but is it worth it ?

whats its damage v stuff ? how fast do the rockets fly ??

can anybody help me?

The SAAW is mainly an anti air rocket launcher. its rockets fly at 300m/s
nice for tank and walker support.

nice draeh, "if it flies, it dies"

im getting it next too

**Tarenth** · 12-11-2007, 01:49 AM

Wow...I have Pilum envy. -.-

SKsniper128 · 12-11-2007, 11:59 AM

Pilum. of course the Pilum.

Due to the lack of a warning that a vehicle normally lets off. And it is more powerfull than the normal guided rockets used by the default engineers.

HBrutusH · 12-11-2007, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by SKsniper128

Pilum. of course the Pilum.

Due to the lack of a warning that a vehicle normally lets off. And it is more powerfull than the normal guided rockets used by the default engineers.

Care to show those stats?

Birdman1011395 · 12-11-2007, 02:02 PM

I'm curious too, as there are no such stats.

Joking of course.

Its slightly more powerful against APCs and Walkers, but the defaults are more powerful against Tanks. And by more powerful I mean its typically 3-5 damage better than the alternative (although the SAAW is a different matter entirely).

**Reaperassault** · 12-11-2007, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaperassault

http://www.stupidjuice.net/bf2142/bf...&showall=false

stats for different guns here

**Anospa** · 12-11-2007, 02:59 PM

It depends on where you shoot. Defaults are warheads, pilium is a giant piercing chunk of metal.

**Tarenth** · 12-11-2007, 04:33 PM

The stats have been posted in this thread and others before it from a source that didn't take certain things into account.

Basically the more armor you encounter (armor on armor that is) the higher your default rocket will be compared to the Pilum because it has an explosive component to it. The Pilum has a higher average damage, but since its purely impact damage you'll do less damage with armor reduction unless you're hitting the soft spots of armor. This difference varies depending on what you hit, where, when, and how you hit it.

Several other factors come into consideration that people have not tested or haven't cared about. The pilum, as a fired round, probably has a range maximum/minimum that will affect its damage. However people rarely care about that because unless you're as sharp as the guy in the video I posted you aren't going to be hitting jack at medium/long range moving targets.

The EU default rockets are also a cluster of rockets which can affect your damage if you're making a glancing or inpercise shot. Basically while it's grouped closely together it is still a 'group' and some rockets may miss or hit a spot of higher armor on the target. This will vary the EU damage against precision targets (like the underside of an APC) greatly because of the difficulty of stringing several rockets through one very small hole.

To counteract this the EU cluster has a higher average damage than the PAC single shot, and both do more damage against high armor than the Pilum because they have a longer reload and have to maintain LoS to guide them in.

**Anospa** · 12-11-2007, 04:46 PM

Piliums still fly at 300m and further and will damage as well with no change. Reap Guardian and I checked this out months ago while we were bored.

**Tarenth** · 12-11-2007, 10:31 PM

Now that's interesting information to have. I guess a squad of Engineers with a support suppling ammo could go prone on the road and lay 'supressing fire' into the fog by shooting the pilum down it. ^_^

**Razcsak** · 12-11-2007, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Tarenth

Now that's interesting information to have. I guess a squad of Engineers with a support suppling ammo could go prone on the road and lay 'supressing fire' into the fog by shooting the pilum down it. ^_^

I do this quite a bit on EU Berlin. It at least scares some armor.

12-05-2007, 06:05 PM	#46 (permalink)
draeh Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Austintown, Ohio Age: 36 Posts: 2,419	Re: Which Engineer weapon do you prefer? I find that the SAAW missile will only keep tracking for about 3 seconds after the SAAW has lost its lock. After this, the missile flies off into oblivion. The other key is to hold the trigger so the SAAW will not reload. Holding the lock for as long as possible is absolutely key. With a good line of sight, the SAAW will hold a lock for the whole 300m weapon limit. It takes 2 SAAW missile to down a gunship at 100% health. It takes 3 to down a transport. I wonder why your not getting the lock-on warning for the entire 15 seconds. I always hold the target locked-on until I get the HUD hit indicator. I'll work on FRAPSing a SAAW usage video. __________________ Ikariam (Alpha) Toruos[44:84]>Non Sequitur(c)-Sulfur :: Nyyos[44:85]>Obesa Cantavit-Wine Tiaayos[43:84]>Stercus Accidit-Marble :: Emytia[45:85]>Vacca Foeda-Crystal Nyyos[44:85]>Obesus Porcus-Wine Dirtboy's 2142 Evolution - Improving Situational Awareness! My Screenies - My Webpage - Xfire Last edited by draeh; 12-05-2007 at 06:13 PM. Reason: more thoughts.

12-05-2007, 06:30 PM	#47 (permalink)
MDFubar Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: New Castle, DE Age: 40 Posts: 1,750	Re: Which Engineer weapon do you prefer? Great info draeh, I was wondering the same thing. Maybe now I can kill a few more gunships..........time to practice __________________ "No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country." - General George Patton Jr Acknowledge your teammates' Outstanding and Distinguished efforts: Submit a nomination NEW TO TG START HERE SUPPORTING MEMBERSHIP ADMIN LIST TG-21ST DIVISION**

12-05-2007, 06:34 PM	#48 (permalink)
draeh Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Austintown, Ohio Age: 36 Posts: 2,419	Re: Which Engineer weapon do you prefer? Also... Highway Tampa is a SAAW users dream. Plenty of wide open space. Very few obstacles for a gunship to break the lock. Also... just found this video on youtube of a SAAW taking out a tank. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90EnKdFip70 I'm gonna have to try this out. EDIT: supposedly this ability was nerfed in the 1.40 patch... still worth a try. __________________ Ikariam (Alpha) Toruos[44:84]>Non Sequitur(c)-Sulfur :: Nyyos[44:85]>Obesa Cantavit-Wine Tiaayos[43:84]>Stercus Accidit-Marble :: Emytia[45:85]>Vacca Foeda-Crystal Nyyos[44:85]>Obesus Porcus-Wine Dirtboy's 2142 Evolution - Improving Situational Awareness! My Screenies - My Webpage - Xfire Last edited by draeh; 12-05-2007 at 06:40 PM. Reason: more info.

12-10-2007, 10:30 PM	#49 (permalink)
Gigaknight Join Date: Dec 2007 Age: 19 Posts: 3	Re: Which Engineer weapon do you prefer? um can someone help me, i want to get the SAAW, but is it worth it ? whats its damage v stuff ? how fast do the rockets fly ?? can anybody help me? __________________ Gigaknight: if it breathes, kill it.

12-11-2007, 01:49 AM	#51 (permalink)
Tarenth Join Date: May 2006 Location: California Posts: 2,148	Re: Which Engineer weapon do you prefer? Wow...I have Pilum envy. -.- __________________ My sanity is not in question... It was a confirmed casualty some time ago. \|TG\|Tarenth Battlefield 2142 Mirra World of Warcraft Light, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to hide the bodies of the people I had to kill because they ticked me off.

12-11-2007, 11:59 AM	#52 (permalink)
SKsniper128 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Stamford, CT Posts: 130	Re: Which Engineer weapon do you prefer? Pilum. of course the Pilum. Due to the lack of a warning that a vehicle normally lets off. And it is more powerfull than the normal guided rockets used by the default engineers. __________________ 300 to 1? No problem. Might need more bullets though...

12-11-2007, 02:02 PM	#54 (permalink)
Birdman1011395 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Richmond Age: 21 Posts: 179	Re: Which Engineer weapon do you prefer? I'm curious too, as there are no such stats. Joking of course. Its slightly more powerful against APCs and Walkers, but the defaults are more powerful against Tanks. And by more powerful I mean its typically 3-5 damage better than the alternative (although the SAAW is a different matter entirely). __________________ BF 2142:\|TG\| Birdman10113 CoD4: \|TG\|Birdman Let's put the badges here...

12-11-2007, 02:59 PM	#56 (permalink)
Anospa Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Northeastern University (Boston) Age: 21 Posts: 3,816	Re: Which Engineer weapon do you prefer? It depends on where you shoot. Defaults are warheads, pilium is a giant piercing chunk of metal. __________________ 3rd SFD \| 2142 Guide Index Check out my live broadcasts! \| Submit a Ribbon Nomination Proud to have been an IRRegular! "Brittle?! Dude you just took a localized tactical warhead to the face." -Eroak

12-11-2007, 04:33 PM	#57 (permalink)
Tarenth Join Date: May 2006 Location: California Posts: 2,148	Re: Which Engineer weapon do you prefer? The stats have been posted in this thread and others before it from a source that didn't take certain things into account. Basically the more armor you encounter (armor on armor that is) the higher your default rocket will be compared to the Pilum because it has an explosive component to it. The Pilum has a higher average damage, but since its purely impact damage you'll do less damage with armor reduction unless you're hitting the soft spots of armor. This difference varies depending on what you hit, where, when, and how you hit it. Several other factors come into consideration that people have not tested or haven't cared about. The pilum, as a fired round, probably has a range maximum/minimum that will affect its damage. However people rarely care about that because unless you're as sharp as the guy in the video I posted you aren't going to be hitting jack at medium/long range moving targets. The EU default rockets are also a cluster of rockets which can affect your damage if you're making a glancing or inpercise shot. Basically while it's grouped closely together it is still a 'group' and some rockets may miss or hit a spot of higher armor on the target. This will vary the EU damage against precision targets (like the underside of an APC) greatly because of the difficulty of stringing several rockets through one very small hole. To counteract this the EU cluster has a higher average damage than the PAC single shot, and both do more damage against high armor than the Pilum because they have a longer reload and have to maintain LoS to guide them in. __________________ My sanity is not in question... It was a confirmed casualty some time ago. \|TG\|Tarenth Battlefield 2142 Mirra World of Warcraft Light, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to hide the bodies of the people I had to kill because they ticked me off.

12-11-2007, 04:46 PM	#58 (permalink)
Anospa Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Northeastern University (Boston) Age: 21 Posts: 3,816	Re: Which Engineer weapon do you prefer? Piliums still fly at 300m and further and will damage as well with no change. Reap Guardian and I checked this out months ago while we were bored. __________________ 3rd SFD \| 2142 Guide Index Check out my live broadcasts! \| Submit a Ribbon Nomination Proud to have been an IRRegular! "Brittle?! Dude you just took a localized tactical warhead to the face." -Eroak

12-11-2007, 10:31 PM	#59 (permalink)
Tarenth Join Date: May 2006 Location: California Posts: 2,148	Re: Which Engineer weapon do you prefer? Now that's interesting information to have. I guess a squad of Engineers with a support suppling ammo could go prone on the road and lay 'supressing fire' into the fog by shooting the pilum down it. ^_^ __________________ My sanity is not in question... It was a confirmed casualty some time ago. \|TG\|Tarenth Battlefield 2142 Mirra World of Warcraft Light, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to hide the bodies of the people I had to kill because they ticked me off.

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