19 widescreen lcd monitor - Page 2

Bigdaddy5709 · 05-12-2007, 02:33 AM

Well, I bought the monitor I mentioned, havent hooked it up yet. Should I get the DVI cable? It came with the other type. The guy at the store said it would have a better picture with the DVI cable. Thoughts? Another thing I am curious about is, right now the resolution options I have are native to standard monitors. (4:3) When I hook up the wide screen will the options change to WS format? Does the card recognize there is a different monitor? I plan to update the drivers before I hook everything up. Thanks for input.

WaffleHousChef · 05-12-2007, 02:55 AM

The monitor drivers or the plug and play information should be fine. The way it works is that it tells the video card what possible resolutions are valid when you hook it up if it's PnP (or when you install the drivers if it's not.) Either way it's pretty simple, and you should see them once the monitor is hooked up. You will not see non-valid resolutions for whatever monitor is currently connected (i.e. 4:3 monitor hooked up will not list 16:9 reso options.)

As far as the cable goes, yeah DVI is technically better, but I would go with whatever your card output socket is (or failing that whatever uses the least number of converters to get your card hooked up to your monitor.)

Bigdaddy5709 · 05-12-2007, 04:30 AM

Great, thanks for the info. Maybe down the road I will get the DVI cable. I will report on wether or not I can tell the difference. My card has both hook ups. (one white and one blue).

**UnDeaD77** · 05-12-2007, 07:29 AM

My monitor doesn't offer the black bars I guess. I always wondered If I could enable 4:3 mode on my monitor.

1680x1050 is nice, I enjoy mine. Although I'd like to move up in res size some time.

WaffleHousChef · 05-12-2007, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by UnDeaD77

My monitor doesn't offer the black bars I guess. I always wondered If I could enable 4:3 mode on my monitor.

Your monitor manufacturer should have their manuals online (monst likely in pdf) for you to download. Your monitor manual should contain a chart or list that shows the supported resolutions for your monitor.

With my TV, I can override a 4:3 signal into 16:9 and vice versa. It allows you to force a picture size. which is kind of handy when you have a game that does not support 16:9, but you want to see it in WS anyways.

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1680x1050 is nice, I enjoy mine. Although I'd like to move up in res size some time.

Unfortunately, since I'm using a HDTV there isn't going to be any resolution bumps until they expand the standard (and look how long that took to go from SDTV to HD.) I mean 1920x1080 isn't bad, but there is certainly room for improvement. And it is unlikely they will make desktop monitors as large as they are making HDTVs for quite some time.

**Anospa** · 05-12-2007, 01:14 PM

For DVI and analog, you probably won't notice too much of a difference visually. The things that are different: DVI will automatically fit itself the the screen without you having to adjust where it lies on the screen. And DVI will also offer crisper text.

Bigdaddy5709 · 05-12-2007, 10:08 PM

Well, I hooked up the monitor this morning. First impression, playing 2142 seems a little like watching the old "CinemaScope" movies that have been reformated for T.V. Just a little askew. Like I have had too many beers and my vision is just a little funky. It looks like the depth perception is different. That is true while viewing other applications too. The FOV is so wide that when I look at the center of the screen it is like looking into a very shallow dish. It is just a matter of adjusting my eyeballs to the wider screen.

**Anospa** · 05-13-2007, 12:58 AM

Yeah, it will seem a bit different at first, but once you get used to it, you'll never want to go back!

AirTransRanger · 05-15-2007, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by WaffleHousChef

Unfortunately, since I'm using a HDTV there isn't going to be any resolution bumps until they expand the standard (and look how long that took to go from SDTV to HD.) I mean 1920x1080 isn't bad, but there is certainly room for improvement. And it is unlikely they will make desktop monitors as large as they are making HDTVs for quite some time.

I think that using a HDTV is actually the way to go. Most computer monitors are in 16:10 aspect versus the 16:9 apsect of tv. (Not a huge deal unless your watching movies) Almost all HDTV's support DVI and some computers can support HDMI which is standard now on all HDTVs. I actually could see a progression to one standard monitor in the future. No more buying a computer monitor and TV. They'll be one in the same and the computer will be the media hub for the home. It's already happening.

The one factor I'm unsure of is refresh rates. Don't comp monitors have higher refresh rates than HDTVs? I should reference the manual on my HDTV to compare. Isn't this a large factor in gaming computers?

WaffleHousChef · 05-15-2007, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by mmckee79

I think that using a HDTV is actually the way to go. Most computer monitors are in 16:10 aspect versus the 16:9 apsect of tv. (Not a huge deal unless your watching movies)

The TV I have supports 16:10 in some resolutions (like 1920x1200,) but its native res is 1080i/p. So that's what I tend to play in.

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Almost all HDTV's support DVI and some computers can support HDMI which is standard now on all HDTVs. I actually could see a progression to one standard monitor in the future. No more buying a computer monitor and TV. They'll be one in the same and the computer will be the media hub for the home. It's already happening.

Several of my friends do the same thing as I do. It's nice if you have the room to devote to it. Of course, there is alot to be said about having a few monitors sitting round the place in case people come over to game.

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The one factor I'm unsure of is refresh rates. Don't comp monitors have higher refresh rates than HDTVs? I should reference the manual on my HDTV to compare. Isn't this a large factor in gaming computers?

This gets deep into the Esoterica of HDTV, but I chose a DLP HDTV because the projection bleeds slightly (as compared to LCD or plasma which I can notice the pixelation) and in essence gives you some FSAA for free to the cost of pixel sharpness. DLP refresh rates are slightly different in application then LCD, Plasma, or even LCOS. The difference is in the color wheel. DLP uses one plate to a filter a bounce off of then the beam passes through a color wheel to split the colors from the monochromatic plate. The color wheel in my TV is 22,000 RPM which was significantly higher then most DLP TVs produced when I bought my TV, and I've not kept up too much on the edge singe I bought it to know what current rates are.

The main disadvantage for DLP is the "rainbow effect" where you can see a rainbow transition between large color field shifts (like a rapidly moving white circle on a black background.) The faster the color wheel, the less this effect is present because each segment of color is smaller and the refresh is faster. I hardly ever notice this.

If you have a LCD or Plasma TV and the response time is high on your TV you could be subjected to ghosting making it not a preferable choice for FPS or fast gaming. Even a fairly high response time is not bad on a slow game like an MMO. I'd check your manual and see what it has to say about that, or give it a shot and see if you like it.

AirTransRanger · 05-16-2007, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by WaffleHousChef

The TV I have supports 16:10 in some resolutions (like 1920x1200,) but its native res is 1080i/p. So that's what I tend to play in.

Several of my friends do the same thing as I do. It's nice if you have the room to devote to it. Of course, there is alot to be said about having a few monitors sitting round the place in case people come over to game.

This gets deep into the Esoterica of HDTV, but I chose a DLP HDTV because the projection bleeds slightly (as compared to LCD or plasma which I can notice the pixelation) and in essence gives you some FSAA for free to the cost of pixel sharpness. DLP refresh rates are slightly different in application then LCD, Plasma, or even LCOS. The difference is in the color wheel. DLP uses one plate to a filter a bounce off of then the beam passes through a color wheel to split the colors from the monochromatic plate. The color wheel in my TV is 22,000 RPM which was significantly higher then most DLP TVs produced when I bought my TV, and I've not kept up too much on the edge singe I bought it to know what current rates are.

The main disadvantage for DLP is the "rainbow effect" where you can see a rainbow transition between large color field shifts (like a rapidly moving white circle on a black background.) The faster the color wheel, the less this effect is present because each segment of color is smaller and the refresh is faster. I hardly ever notice this.

If you have a LCD or Plasma TV and the response time is high on your TV you could be subjected to ghosting making it not a preferable choice for FPS or fast gaming. Even a fairly high response time is not bad on a slow game like an MMO. I'd check your manual and see what it has to say about that, or give it a shot and see if you like it.

I couldn't find the specs on my actual tv but i do know that pioneer goes by the industry standard of 75hz. I would love to hook my computer up to the tv but that would require me rewiring stuff. Not to mention the wife would have a fit! I would also worry about the burn in factor that plasmas are suspectable to.
Despite all that...I do love my sportscenter in HD!!

WaffleHousChef · 05-16-2007, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by mmckee79

I couldn't find the specs on my actual tv but i do know that pioneer goes by the industry standard of 75hz. I would love to hook my computer up to the tv but that would require me rewiring stuff. Not to mention the wife would have a fit! I would also worry about the burn in factor that plasmas are suspectable to.
Despite all that...I do love my sportscenter in HD!!

Refresh rate and Response time aren't the same thing is the problem. Refresh rate is simply the times per second that the data is sent to the display. For CRT (old school) this is the main determinate, because the refresh rate is literally what you see. The faster the refresh rate the faster lines are drawn.

With Solid State displays like LCD each signal pulse is sent to the matrix of pixiels. The response time is the time needed to make the transition from one state (frame) to the next across the pixel matrix. Response time is a visual lag that can cause ghosting if it is high (say 25ms) or can be pretty crisp (some desktop montors can go as low as 2ms.)

So it's not as much about how often you are sending data to the matrix (60hz/75hz/etc) as long as it is above an acceptable threshold, but how fast that matrix can change itself which will determine if you will see ghosting or pixel lag.

AirTransRanger · 05-16-2007, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by WaffleHousChef

Refresh rate and Response time aren't the same thing is the problem. Refresh rate is simply the times per second that the data is sent to the display. For CRT (old school) this is the main determinate, because the refresh rate is literally what you see. The faster the refresh rate the faster lines are drawn.

With Solid State displays like LCD each signal pulse is sent to the matrix of pixiels. The response time is the time needed to make the transition from one state (frame) to the next across the pixel matrix. Response time is a visual lag that can cause ghosting if it is high (say 25ms) or can be pretty crisp (some desktop montors can go as low as 2ms.)

So it's not as much about how often you are sending data to the matrix (60hz/75hz/etc) as long as it is above an acceptable threshold, but how fast that matrix can change itself which will determine if you will see ghosting or pixel lag.

Good to know. I was unable to find the response time. Not a big deal though since I won't be running the cables to the TV. Would be nice to play Bf on 50" though!

05-12-2007, 02:33 AM	#16 (permalink)
Bigdaddy5709 Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Southeast Age: 37 Posts: 14	Re: 19 widescreen lcd monitor Well, I bought the monitor I mentioned, havent hooked it up yet. Should I get the DVI cable? It came with the other type. The guy at the store said it would have a better picture with the DVI cable. Thoughts? Another thing I am curious about is, right now the resolution options I have are native to standard monitors. (4:3) When I hook up the wide screen will the options change to WS format? Does the card recognize there is a different monitor? I plan to update the drivers before I hook everything up. Thanks for input. Last edited by Bigdaddy5709; 05-12-2007 at 04:30 AM.

05-12-2007, 02:55 AM	#17 (permalink)
WaffleHousChef Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta, GA Age: 32 Posts: 1,099	Re: 19 widescreen lcd monitor The monitor drivers or the plug and play information should be fine. The way it works is that it tells the video card what possible resolutions are valid when you hook it up if it's PnP (or when you install the drivers if it's not.) Either way it's pretty simple, and you should see them once the monitor is hooked up. You will not see non-valid resolutions for whatever monitor is currently connected (i.e. 4:3 monitor hooked up will not list 16:9 reso options.) As far as the cable goes, yeah DVI is technically better, but I would go with whatever your card output socket is (or failing that whatever uses the least number of converters to get your card hooked up to your monitor.)

05-12-2007, 04:30 AM	#18 (permalink)
Bigdaddy5709 Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Southeast Age: 37 Posts: 14	Re: 19 widescreen lcd monitor Great, thanks for the info. Maybe down the road I will get the DVI cable. I will report on wether or not I can tell the difference. My card has both hook ups. (one white and one blue).

05-12-2007, 07:29 AM	#19 (permalink)
UnDeaD77 Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Fort Worth,Texas Age: 22 Posts: 5,709	Re: 19 widescreen lcd monitor My monitor doesn't offer the black bars I guess. I always wondered If I could enable 4:3 mode on my monitor. 1680x1050 is nice, I enjoy mine. Although I'd like to move up in res size some time. __________________ Call Of Duty Admin - Contact Me Report a Player or Banned From Our Servers? Call of Duty - Official Rules, Announcements & SOPs

05-12-2007, 01:14 PM	#21 (permalink)
Anospa Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Northeastern University (Boston) Age: 21 Posts: 3,497	Re: 19 widescreen lcd monitor For DVI and analog, you probably won't notice too much of a difference visually. The things that are different: DVI will automatically fit itself the the screen without you having to adjust where it lies on the screen. And DVI will also offer crisper text. __________________ "Brittle?! Dude you just took a localized tactical warhead to the face." -Eroak

05-12-2007, 10:08 PM	#22 (permalink)
Bigdaddy5709 Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Southeast Age: 37 Posts: 14	Re: 19 widescreen lcd monitor Well, I hooked up the monitor this morning. First impression, playing 2142 seems a little like watching the old "CinemaScope" movies that have been reformated for T.V. Just a little askew. Like I have had too many beers and my vision is just a little funky. It looks like the depth perception is different. That is true while viewing other applications too. The FOV is so wide that when I look at the center of the screen it is like looking into a very shallow dish. It is just a matter of adjusting my eyeballs to the wider screen.

05-13-2007, 12:58 AM	#23 (permalink)
Anospa Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Northeastern University (Boston) Age: 21 Posts: 3,497	Re: 19 widescreen lcd monitor Yeah, it will seem a bit different at first, but once you get used to it, you'll never want to go back! __________________ "Brittle?! Dude you just took a localized tactical warhead to the face." -Eroak

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