D0ubl3Hel1x

While we are at it lets ban guradianx11x from sniping and Mantis from the RDX demo packs.!!! =)

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Exploding_Silver

Mantis and RDX !!?!
Is this to save him from blowing himself up yet again

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BZ55

I don't think it's unreasonable at all for someone to bringing this up again--it's been over three weeks.

Isn't one possible solution to just switch 2142 hosts? I mean, it's not out of the question that after weeks of nasty lag that we just tell Wolf hosting that we need to take our business elsewhere, regardless if it's them or not.

Lately, I just leave our servers and play elsewhere as soon as lag starts to show up. The only reason I try to stick around at this point is to play with my squad mates.

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sc1ence

BZ55, I will admit this has taken longer than we would like to resolve. The lag has been happening for roughly the past 3 weeks. The first week or so we were under the impression this was related to gamespy and so we tried to wait it out. Bom contacted wolf servers about the lag, but there was some miscommunication which prolonged things further.

Since that time we have been trying desperately to get more information about it to help diagnose what is going on. In the past few days I have been acting as the admin focused on the problem. Yesterday we implemented a change that several players are reporting has fixed the lag. Your post makes it seem like the server is still laggy. Is it? Have you played on the server since the change?

I posted that we were testing some new settings and asked for lag reports in in the posts between yours and the ones you quoted. What I got from you instead is your post above complaining about lag and suggesting people play on other servers.

Did you even read the following post?

Here we are trying to figure this out, seemingly close to a solution - and you come through with a post complaining about lag and suggesting people play somewhere else.


The purpose of your post seems to be a defense of drakkin's post and a general complaint about lag. I will address drakkins post in a bit more detail. Drakin brought this subject up in a separate post, roughly 2 hours after a post that I made on the topic asking for more info. His post made it seem like we were doing nothing, which is false. Perhaps I read too much into the following statement:

The quotes around "looking into it" and "reasons" really seemed like sarcasm rather than a reasonable statement of truth. His post has since been merged with this thread. Bringing it up in a separate thread made no sense because there was an active thread on the topic. His statements served no useful purpose. What value is there in complaining and stating the obvious. I dont understand what you are trying to acomplish with your post in defending him, and complaining more. Especially in light of recent changes that seemed to have helped.

If you want to help, then play on the server and tell us if it is lagging. suggesting people go play elsewhere seems passive aggressive, childish and ignorant to me.

To answer the question you asked, one possible solution is to switch hosts. But we are not close to doing that yet. We would like to exhaust all possibilities in working with Wolf on this before we go that route.

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BZ55

I apologize if I came off as antagonistic--that certainly was not my intent at all. I reviewed my post, and I'd like to say that I think there's nothing in there that's "ignorant" or "childish". I honestly just wanted to redirect posts into the more basic question of how close we were to leaving wolfservers and if the most basic solution (switching hosts) was a viable option.

Although I haven't played in the past 24 hours, in the days prior to that (including Friday), things hadn't been too good and we've been leaving "admin lag" messages in the global chat log. When I went to post in this thread with the lag info, I saw that others already beat me to it so it didn't make sense duplicate them.

Sure, but I just thought that one night of no problems doesn't prove that it's all been figured out. In any case, I'm psyched that it looks like there's solid progress and I look forward to reporting how things go in the next couple days.

I think I speak for everyone here that we genuinely appreciate and applaud the thankless work associated with the back-end, so please don't take any of the posts here the wrong way. To be clear, I'm personally very greateful for the time you and the other admins have put into this issue.

Sounds like you guys are making progress, and I'll certainly try to do my part in reporting. Thanks again for your time on all this stuff.

Best,
Andy

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sc1ence

Thanks for clearing up your post andy. I apologize if I came off sounding too harsh. Hopefully you can realize that we are working to fix this, but we are not perfect and have made mistakes in trying to figure this out. We have had a solid relationship with wolfservers and I think it is premature to jump ship at this point. I have personally dealt with 8-10 server hosting companies in the past and very few have left me satisfied. Wolf servers really stands out as being a solid hosting company I have dealt with. I think a good amount of the blame for this lag lasting as long as it has falls on the Admin team not communicating as effectively with each other and with wolf as we could have. We have cleared up the communication problem and are now moving much more quickly on this. I really sympathize with the frustration you have when it gets laggy. The 2142 community here at TG is a large one with many supporting members. We deserve a solid server with all the bells and whistles.

Where things stand now:
We have had battlerecorder off since the afternoon of the 16th. We are keen in evaluating the effect of having it off before we proceed. We will be working closely with wolf and solving things quickly from this point forward.

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Apophis

This is like treating dandruff by decapitation. That is something I will not do when it comes to resolving server issues. To simply throw in the towel at this point and just switch hosts won't do anything. The dedicated server we are on is more than capable of running 2142 and it did so without lag for a long period of time.

There have been server-side changes since the lag started creeping in that we are looking at. Such things as Battlerecorder, enhanced PunkBuster MD5 checks and a few other things. It is very likely that it is something new that we've asked the server to do that is causing the lag and switching providers won't solve that. We need to determine the source of the lag and address the source problem, not react to the symptoms caused by the problem.

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machowner

In cases like this should we also post our report? I'm thinking multiple reports would be stronger than a single report. Just wanted to ask the question so everybody knows what to do. Thanks.

sc1ence

multple reports are encouraged. I have been popping into teamspeak IHS chans asking for reports, as has exploding silver. silver had some people report lag, everyone I have talked to said it has been lag free all day. I have played about 3 or 4 hours today without any lag.

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D0ubl3Hel1x

I played at least ten rounds today between 12pm cst - 6pm cst and am happy to report I did not experience any lag or any effects related to it. Thanks for all the hard work guys on working to sort the issue!!

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draeh

Once again I am happy to report 0 lag! Played from 8:30pm to 11:30pm EDT!

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Apophis

Thanks guys. Keep the reports coming.

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BZ55

Yeah, dreah and I were on for a solid chunk--not a single instance as far as I can recall. Looking good, guys--thanks!

Andy

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MDFubar

Played last night, 6/17/07 form about 8pm edt to 1030pm edt, no lag and great games. however; I went to Dl the BR and noticed that none of the games from last night where on it. Any thoughts? BR off? Did I do dsome thing on my end?

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astrozombie

Its Turned off. I asked the same question yesterday. Silver and Apophis stated that it is off for the time being to see how it impacts the lag problem.

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