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MOH, TG, and the downfall of quality titles...

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In reply to Dredge's MOH Beta blog...

Quote Originally Posted by Dredge
VoIP - Like in BC2, is being promised in the release version. There have been numerous reports and postings in the BETA threads at EA regarding this and the PC community has made its voice heard on the matter. However as it stands now, there is none in the BETA. The PS3 version of the BETA has it built into the game engine, so one would assume that it can be done for the PC verion as well. All we can do is cross our fingers and hope that Dice will learn from BC2 and have VoIP working for us at release.
You're all really starting to sound like beaten wives. No matter how hard game developers have **** on you in the past few years, TG'ers still flock to new titles based on what the developer says they're going to do/do different this time.

"Come on baby, I know I did some bad stuff in the past, but I really love you! This time will be different, I promise!"


Some titles in the past few years that have been hyped up by TG, but ultimately are nasty wife-beaters:

Frontlines: Fuels of War - No VOIP on PC version. VOIP on console! Just buy the console version, guys!
Enemy Territory: Quake Wars - Hey, VOIP, where you been? What?! Not in the game?!
Operation Flash Point: Dragon Rising - Let's pull dedicated servers out from under you in the 2 weeks prior to release.
Modern Warfare 2 - Surprise! No dedicated servers! No anti-cheat! Have fun on the 360! Don't own one... huh... sorry.
Bad Company 2 - Surprise! In this direct-console port, PC gamers get, *gasp* NO VOIP. Several patches later they are "still working on it"

And I won't even humor the amount of MMO's that have had TG "guilds" that shriveled up in 2 weeks- 2 months.

Stop giving money to developers who are killing PC gaming

VOIP is not optional in Battlefield titles/clones.
Dedicated servers are not optional.


I know you guys think that everytime your husband (developer) comes home (makes a new title) he's not going to hit you (break promises). I know you think that tonight when he drinks (makes money off a title) he's not gonna turn around and slam your face with his fist (stop patching the game).

But the fact is, TG, you're enabling him (the developers). You won't leave (stop buying into their crap) because you think you "love" him.

The man (developer) you married (used to love their games) is now a drunken lunatic wife-beater. And you keep going back to him (buying their ****).



So the obvious question is "Where do you get off, Skud?"

Well to be brutally honest, I've only bought 5 games at full price/at launch for PC in the past 3 years.

1. The Orange Box. Bought on release day. Still play TF2. Valve still patches every single game. TF2 is still receiving free content almost monthly.
2. Left 4 Dead.
3. Modern Warfare 2. Shame on me. I even turned around and bought it for my 360. I enjoy it there. I learned my lesson.
4. Left 4 Dead 2.
3. Mount & Blade: Warband. Almost an indie title. They deserved my 30 dollars, yes they did.

Every single PC game that I own other than those 5 has been bought either:

a. Years after launch
b. On serious discount through STEAM, usually years after launch.

TG, I'm not telling you to stop playing new titles. I get why you like them, I do. But stop being the enabler in these abusive relationships with developers. I mean, isn't it bad enough with BC2 that you're sitting without voip, for months after launch, begging for it? And now you expect MOH to fix that? Are you crazy?

They got your money. They don't need anything else. BC2 is crazy popular even without voip, why would they change? They've made a boatload of money. Scratch that - a whole butt-ton. And with the success of 5 whole damn maps, they're justifying a freakin' expansion, which will only service to split the community. And you'll probably still be without voip.

Who knows. Maybe BC2/MOH can change.

Just don't hold your breath. But please, for the love of god, hold on to your wallets come release day.

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  1. Skud's Avatar
    Meanwhile,

    BF2142 struggles to hold on.
    POE2 is wiped off the face of the planet.
  2. Ferris Bueller's Avatar
    10,000% agreed. Epic freaking post bro.
  3. draeh's Avatar
    I couldn't agree more. I haven't played BC2 since the beginning of June. I don't get the same enjoyment out of it as I did previous BF titles. Maps are too small. Armor has no room to maneuver. Armor is an afterthought.... oh and by the way... VOIP doesn't work.

    I should have learned my lesson with FFOW, but I had hope that with DICE as the developer we might have gotten a different result. I guess I should have known better when it was announced as a BC sequel instead of a new BF title.
  4. TMan's Avatar
    Sounds reasonable to me. It always amazes me that PR is still the game of choice for me after the 'luster' of a new title wears off. I have been playing Napoleon Total War for months, but in the end the AI lets you down.

    PR is still great due to the people, not so much the game engine. I think that is where ARMAII fails - lack of community and game play. It would be nice to see PR2 with a better game engine, but retention of the core principles that make it great - comms in game and community. I wish there was PR with mumble positional comms in game.

    T
  5. Catman1975's Avatar
    The games are going to sell with or without sales from TG members. We're all here because we're gamers, some of us get very excited at the prospect of new games and want to see if any of our friends will be picking up the game at the same time we will. To say TG has hyped up sub-par games is misleading at best. Frontlines was a great game, ET:QW I picked up because another friend picked it up, Operation flash point-I never bought it, MW2 I never bought it - no dedicated servers-I kept my end of the boycott, BC2-I don't have a console-I played the original BC on a friends xbox-I was buying this game for the SP-the MP is a bonus. It pisses me off to be equated to a beaten wife and told that I'm persuaded to buy a game because all of my TG buddies have hyped it up and I apparently don't have a single individual thought in my head.

    Look I understand the beaten wife analogy, it just struck the wrong cord with me.
  6. Mech__Warrior's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by TheSkudDestroyer
    Meanwhile,

    BF2142 struggles to hold on.
    POE2 is wiped off the face of the planet.
    Meanwhile, indeed. Wish DICE was as dedicated as Valve and BF2412 may have been the best game ever.
  7. Skud's Avatar
    Would you prefer the alcoholic analogy?
    The Drug addict analogy?

    Nothing is pretty.
  8. zebra.actual's Avatar
    Great post. I completely agree.

    I only have BC2 because one of my friends bought it, only to find his comp can't run it. So he gave it to me. I have not touched this game for a few months, nor do I intend to until (if ever) they fix VOIP. Not being able to communicate when communication is key, is utter garbage.

    Last game titles I bought:
    1. Mirrors edge - was neat for about an hour (paid $5 off steam)
    2. COD 4 - (~3 years ago) I learned my lesson there and I will NOT be buying another Call of Duty game again.
    3. BF2 + expansions - BF2 is utter garbage, but PR is amazing and makes BF2 still worth buying.
  9. Catman1975's Avatar
    The game is pretty.

    BTW, just pre-ordered MOH, hope they get VOIP fixed.
  10. Skud's Avatar
    I've seen the needle and the damage done...
  11. Catman1975's Avatar
    I'm slow today, is that a reference to my video??? Sssshhhhh, I SWEAR the doc gave me a prescription for that

    As for the damage done, it was dont WAY before I started doing.. umm. .... nevermind...
  12. Skud's Avatar
    No.

    The needle is the videogame industry sucking your wallet.

    The damage is the bandwidth that goes towards the following posts:

    "GOD DAMN EA!"
    "NO VOIP?!"
    "CONSOLIZED POS"
  13. Exploding_Silver's Avatar
    Frontlines: Fuels of War - No VOIP on PC version. VOIP on console! Just buy the console version, guys!
    Enemy Territory: Quake Wars - Hey, VOIP, where you been? What?! Not in the game?!
    Operation Flash Point: Dragon Rising - Let's pull dedicated servers out from under you in the 2 weeks prior to release.
    Modern Warfare 2 - Surprise! No dedicated servers! No anti-cheat! Have fun on the 360! Don't own one... huh... sorry.
    Bad Company 2 - Surprise! In this direct-console port, PC gamers get, *gasp* NO VOIP. Several patches later they are "still working on it"
    I was thinking lately how the gaming industry has fails to supply TG with new games with teamwork (maybe ArmA 2 as an exception)

    As teamplayers who want to talk, we are rare in the gaming world, irrelevant even to what sells

    As your list show, this is not just one game failing, its a proven pattern over the last few years.

    And the great hope of BF3 may well be a console port, because consoles are where the money is, and consoles ports mean a bad company 2 like game with small maps etc etc we all know the story by now

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