Originally Posted by Delta

But it brings me back to my original point about the killcam. Sure, you can get a better understanding of how to help your team by learning defensive positions, but 9 out of 10 people just want to know how they got killed. Bullets hit you in the face. It doesn't really matter from where or how. You died, get over it! How does knowing how you died help complete the objective? If you can provide me an answer to that question, seeing as it is also your argument, then I'll have nothing more to say. I don't know about the rest of you, but when the killcam was on, I switched my spot almost every round, so it really doesn't do the offense much good to learn defensive positions. The horse continues to be beaten for another day.

Let's see.. where to start...

Of course 9 out of 10 people (its actually 10 of 10) want to know how they got killed. If the killcam shows you that you glitch through a wall, it is very helpful. Take for instance, the following scenario:

The map was backlot and I was on the attacking team. I was in the process of moving to the B location and had made it through the broken wall on the B side of the 2 story central building. I crouched up against the wall of the building and the short sheet metal wall. All of a sudden, I was shot twice and killed with no-one that I could see around me. At this time, there was no killcam on the server and I had no idea how I was spotted. |TG|Mkoll was the one that killed me and he politely told me over chat that I had been sticking out (glitching) through the sheet metal wall. I lucked out that a responsible player took the time to tell me that I was glitching.

Most times, if you are glitching through something, people won't tell you. They just hope you go back to the same spot for another easy kill. With the killcam enabled, you would most likely be able to see that you were glitching, or that your foot or weapon was sticking out around a corner. If the killcam can educate you on how to stay alive longer, it helps your team.

Also, you stated that when the killcam was on, you changed position after every round. That helped your team by making you harder to predict and most likely keeping you alive longer to support your team. Thats been one of my points all along.

It does do an offensive team good to know defensive positions. It basically forces people to play the way HAZMAT outlined in his 8 steps by conditioning a player to SLOW DOWN and look for the enemy that may be around that corner, or behind that barrel.

I really liked your writeup HAZMAT and I think with a combination of the killcam and your "8 steps to surviving" the gameplay will get more strategic and tactical. You stated in step 6 that those that want to learn more should sign up for a TGU class. Since I have started playing here regularly around 6 months ago, I have only seen 1 series of classes offered. Perhaps we could use one day a month of the SM only days (if this happens) as a class?

And in closing, I would like to state to the admin staff: I am happy with the job that you do. I am not attempting to question any staff members decision or trying to be disrespectful. As a new Supporting Member, I am just trying to offer my opinion on how we can enhance the game we all love to play and to educate myself and anyone else that is willing to learn. If it is the final decision of the admin staff that the killcam will be left off despite my best arguments, then so be it. I will even supply the shoves to bury the horse.