Originally Posted by Delta

I still haven't heard an answer that doesn't boil down to, "it's too hard!". Yes, the defense has an advantage. Yes, it's a bitch and a half to beat. YES, IT IS DOABLE. Strategy is your key to winning. Not every single strategy has to involve a smoke and a rush. Here's a slight example. Pile up at caves, smoke and flash the hell out of it, storm out and move up the hill, and come around the backside to A. Just a random thought that popped into my head. Find out who your best sniper is and send him to do work! Send a heavy gunner as well! Make the opposition think you're all in different places using different firing positions. Shoot, move. While the rest of you could be in caves, next to the hill, anywhere. I WILL admit though, there could be a few more alternative routes though.. But as you said Mindkill, last you checked this is TACTICAL Gamer, so find a tactical way to beat it.

Hazy, the reason I hate Wet Work is purely because of my Xbox 360 experience. I play HCTDM and on that map, as soon as you get an airstrike and/or chopper, it's OVER. Like, you can throw that thing ANYWHERE on the map and it will absolutely obliterate. There's no overhead cover except for the edges of the ship and a container here or there.

Delta, I think the reason you are having a hard time understanding why everyone is saying that the map sucks, is that you've only been playing PC CoD4 for about a month (I may be incorrect and if so, apologize). Most of us that have posted in this thread have been playing the map since its release.

I kind of take offense at your insinuations that we are all a bunch of whiners and crybabies because we want this unbalanced map taken out of the rotation. I will not lie and state that I am some sort of tactical genius, but TG has several superior tacticians and they will generally either leave when Creek comes up or pick up the bomb and state "smoke the hell out of A and rush!". It's not that we have not tried different tactics, it's that the map only allows a handful of tactics. And of that handful, most are easily defeatable by the defense.

I would be willing to play the map, as it is beautifully made and fun in other game modes. But, something has to change. I would love to think a gentleman's agreement to not use scoped weapons would work, but I think that's just wishful thinking. Also considering the accuracy and supernatural eyesight of some of our superior players, the G3 and M14 (can't remember if that's the single shot or not) are basically sniper rifles. I'm not sure it can be done, but would there be a way to only allow SMG's and shotguns? Or limit the amount of snipers per team?

Originally Posted by Delta

... But as you said Mindkill, last you checked this is TACTICAL Gamer, so find a tactical way to beat it.

We have found a tactical way of beating the map. Remove it from the rotation. By the wording of your challenge to me, it could be assumed that you would also like to see Killhouse, Shipment, and Showdown in the rotation as there has to be a tactical way of wining. They are not in the rotation because there are no tactics (or at best a couple) that work on those maps. They are also not in the rotation because, like Creek, they tend to get everyone to either leave the server or sit in spectator mode or start up the rush-fest just to get the map finished.

I think that in the end, it really comes down to the fact that this is game. We play this game because it's fun. When the game stops being fun, it becomes a chore. Most people consider chores to be work. So, according to these statements, Creek = Work. I don't come to TG to work, I come here to play tactically and socialize with friends.