Re: New Pitboss Game Discussion (Jan 17/09)

**Niklas** · 02-01-2009, 11:15 AM

I'm fine with that too, I'll update the mod with that then and pass Bernout another copy for hosting.

Is that the last edit, so we can roll with this mod then? Are we decided on all the settings? Are we ready to roll? Are we there yet??

**Snarlin** · 02-01-2009, 05:37 PM

Originally Posted by Niklas

Snarlin, I'm pretty sure Bernout gave the right answer. The zip file includes a NoScoreMod directory already, so just unzip it directly into your Mods folder.

Yep. That was it. Did it the correct way and it seemed to work just fine. Funny that.

Snarlin

**Bernout** · 02-01-2009, 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by Niklas

Is that the last edit, so we can roll with this mod then? Are we decided on all the settings? Are we ready to roll? Are we there yet??

This will hopefully be the last edit. As soon as you email me a new version I'll get a new test server set up with it.

Ok...here's the game format for everyone to look over. Most of it shouldn't be a surprise based on where we've been headed with the mod. Also, I need to investigate being able to use a map generated by that script that Oyzar pointed me at.

Game Format

Custom Mod

A custom mod has been developed and will be used for the game. The features it provides are:

Limited score. Only Wonders count and with as small a value as possible.
No global demographics.
Custom deity difficulty level. Tech cost has been increased to that of a deity epic game. Also, all AI bonuses have been removed.
Barbarian events have been removed.
Technologies popped from a Hut have been reduced.

Nation Assignments

Players will be assigned player numbers based on an alphabetical list of TG account names. Nations and their leaders will be assigned randomly.

Difficulty Level

The difficulty level being used is Deity (custom version) for all players.

Settings:

Map: Big and Small
Size: Huge
Climate: Temperate
Sea Level: Low
Era: Ancient
Speed: Normal
Continents Size: Normal Continents
Landmass Size: Islands
Island Overlap: Islands Mixed In

Game Options Selected:

City Flipping after Conquest
Choose Religions
Permanent Alliances
No Vassal States

Full Option List:

No Advanced Start
City Razing
City Flipping From Culture
City Flipping After Conquest
Barbarians
No Raging Barbarians
Restricted/Normal Leaders
Choose Religions
Full Technology Trading
Permanent Alliances
No Require Complete Kills
No Vassal States
Tribal Villages
Random Events
Espionage

Victory:

Time
Conquest
Domination
Cultural
Space Race
Diplomatic
Custom Diplomatic (see below)

Multiplayer:

Simultaneous Turns
Take Over AI
Turn Timer - 24 hours (approx. 28 hours of real time at game start)

End Game

The end of the game will be determined either by player vote or by an in game victory condition being met. In the case of the vote, the following procedure is to be followed:

1. A vote to end the game may be called by any player but may not be called within 30 days of the previous vote (if any).

2. The vote will be held in these forums for a period of 1 week. Every attempt will be made to get a yes or no vote from each player but in the event a player can not be reached it shall be counted as a 'yes' vote.

3. At the end of the week, if a yes vote results in the game ending then the player with the highest score at that time will be the winner unless they concede the victory to someone else. Note that this game allows a team victory via a permanent alliance.

Thoughts? Let's use this coming week to nail down the map generation, game format and make sure the new mod version is good to go. I'll then post a sign up topic.

Bernout

**emperor** · 02-01-2009, 06:58 PM

Originally Posted by Bernout

Settings:

Map: Big and Small
Size: Huge
Climate: Temperate
Sea Level: Low
Era: Ancient
Speed: Normal
Continents Size: Normal Continents
Islands Size: Normal Peaks
Landmass Size: Islands
Island Overlap: Islands Mixed In

Err... a mistake, I think. No peak options on Big_and_Small.

Originally Posted by Bernout

Game Options Selected:

City Flipping after Conquest
Choose Religions
Permanent Alliances
No Vassal States

Hmm, why has this option been selected? I don't remember discussing it. I happen to strongly disagree with allowing city flipping after conquest. In my opinion, that makes things far too easy for the defender, who already gets a lot of advantages from being in his home territory. I noticed that this option had been selected in the Terrible Twos game, and wondered about it.

There's a reason why this is not a default option in the game.

**Bernout** · 02-01-2009, 08:02 PM

Originally Posted by emperor

Err... a mistake, I think. No peak options on Big_and_Small.

Yep...copy and paste error there.

It's been corrected.

Hmm, why has this option been selected? I don't remember discussing it. I happen to strongly disagree with allowing city flipping after conquest. In my opinion, that makes things far too easy for the defender, who already gets a lot of advantages from being in his home territory. I noticed that this option had been selected in the Terrible Twos game, and wondered about it.

There's a reason why this is not a default option in the game.

Well, it seems to end up being a no-op anyhow so I've never bothered changing it from previous games. I have no objection to removing it.

Bernout

**Niklas** · 02-01-2009, 08:10 PM

I wondered about that too. What's the idea behind it? EDIT: X-post with Bernout. Yeah, better remove it.

**Bernout** · 02-01-2009, 10:49 PM

New test server is up!

Mod: http://home.comcast.net/~bernout1/Fi...oreMod-0.2.zip
CivStats: http://www.civstats.com/viewgame.php?gameid=1197

Note: After deleting the first mod and unzipping this one, I renamed my directory to "NoScoreMod". I wasn't sure if that was needed but it seemed like the safest thing to do.

So far it seems to be working great! CivStats is working as expected.

I'd highly encourage everyone who is thinking of playing in the next game to install the mod and test your connection to the server. If needed I can post some instructions on how to create a new .ini file and desktop icon so you can quickly get into the game.

Now all I need to do is figure out how to make use of that map generator.

Bernout

**hsoft** · 02-02-2009, 05:14 AM

I could log in alright.

**hsoft** · 02-02-2009, 05:18 AM

Oh, and by the way, about City Flipping after Conquest. I agree that it is a big deal, making it much easier on the defender, but it makes the game interesting IMHO. City razing becomes a much more attractive option (You'd rather destroy the city than have it flip right away). Either that, or it slows down conquest because you need the "cultural backup" to invade a city.

I agree that it is not an option to be chosen lightly, but I'm not necessarily against it.

**emperor** · 02-02-2009, 06:49 AM

Multiplayer already makes it very difficult for the aggressor, because the defender has ease of movement and line of sight through his lands. So I don't think there's any logic in choosing an option that makes aggression even more difficult and even less rewarding.

**Niklas** · 02-02-2009, 07:15 AM

Originally Posted by Bernout

Note: After deleting the first mod and unzipping this one, I renamed my directory to "NoScoreMod". I wasn't sure if that was needed but it seemed like the safest thing to do.

The safest thing to do would have been to leave it as it was. I did that naming on purpose, so we wouldn't have problems with people accidentally using the old mod to connect. They would get an error so it's no big deal, but better to get that error earlier on in the process, a version mismatch when trying to connect instead of a protected assets error after everything has downloaded already.

I'm not sure how it works when the server is running "NoScoreMod" and the client runs "NoScoreMod-0.2", I'll need to test that (or someone else could of course). Though I think the best would be to restart the server under NoScoreMod-0.2 right away.

**Bernout** · 02-02-2009, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by Niklas

I'm not sure how it works when the server is running "NoScoreMod" and the client runs "NoScoreMod-0.2", I'll need to test that (or someone else could of course). Though I think the best would be to restart the server under NoScoreMod-0.2 right away.

Please go ahead and test that to see if it makes a difference at all (or I'll do it tonight when I get home). I thought the directory might need to be the same as the mod name but perhaps it just doesn't matter.

Bernout

**Ebenezer** · 02-02-2009, 08:45 PM

Mod folder name must match the name on the server.

NoScoreMod works
NoScore does not, even with identical files inside

I'd suggest doing a final version before game launch simply named NoScore "mod" is redundant anyway, and version numbers in the filename are annoying

**Niklas** · 02-02-2009, 09:06 PM

Fair enough, I sent a NoScore to Bernout for publishing and use in the live version.

**Bernout** · 02-03-2009, 10:27 PM

Originally Posted by Niklas

Fair enough, I sent a NoScore to Bernout for publishing and use in the live version.

New test server is up!

Mod: http://home.comcast.net/~bernout1/Files/NoScore.zip
CivStats: http://www.civstats.com/viewgame.php?gameid=1197

Bernout

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