Should model consistency be enforced on the server? - Page 4

**Mike** · 03-03-2005, 08:04 PM

Thats quite unfortunate, I thought it was a good idea; o well. Never-the-less if you guys ban custom skins I will support the decision.

**9 v** · 03-03-2005, 08:20 PM

If it's all or nothing, i say nothing.

Apart from that. Yes.

**TheFeniX** · 03-03-2005, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

Shouldn't you ask a more unbiased question? The method of phasing that question is to either A) get the answer you want (NO) or B) Imply that people that want custom models on the server are shallow and non-team members.

Not those that want them, but those that want to keep them at the expense of gameplay.

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I don't need someone relatively new to the TG community question my committment to playing a game using communications and teamwork, especially if he has never played with me in the 4 or so years I have been playing CS (or any of the other games supported here) in the TG community.

I will grant that my comment was harsh and it wasn't directed at you, I merely quoted you for the first part, then started ranting. I should have been more explicit in where I directed my comment. I'll apologize for that.

On another note: define "relatively new." Considering I've been here for a year (which is ageless in the area of "Internet Loyalty" and I would have been a member for much longer had I found this place at it's inseption: I'll take your comment as some resentment of my previous remark.

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I just raised a point that we don't want to get into the habit of not allowing things just because of a potential for abuse. If we start doing that, we effectively are telling everyone we don't think they are responsible enough to play on the servers without some sort of big brother system limiting us to things it belives is right.

Well, considering the average intelligence of CS players, I think it's needed.

It's just like running cheating-death probably kicks out some players we might enjoy at TG, you have to lose some things to help the community that is already here. But Wyz's choiced in that have still garned quite a few new TG members.

I joined the TG NS server for the first time because I knew while it wouldn't completely rule out the idiots, it would at least show that the admin cared enough to keep the blatant ones out. Hence, I joined, enjoyed, then paid monthly.

On another side note: the best thing would be a cvar that let people keep there custom models installed, but disabled them when they were on TG. Quake had the "sv_pure 1" cvar that handled it perfectly. In fact that one command pretty much killed any cheaters at all.

**Mike** · 03-03-2005, 11:47 PM

OOOOOO so I don't have to rid my machine of skins, they will be disabled automatically. Well thats not so bad.

**Pokerface** · 03-04-2005, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike

OOOOOO so I don't have to rid my machine of skins, they will be disabled automatically. Well thats not so bad.

Well, QUAKE had that cvar. I don't recall that one for HL, but I could be mistaken.

**Wolfie** · 03-04-2005, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Wyzcrak

Disabling custom models gives people one less excuse when they're killed under unexplainable circumstances. That helps gameplay in the long run, as it forces people to hold either their own mistake(s) or someone else's skill, not some "hack" excuse, accountable for their deaths. Such accountability leaves one with little option other than to improve if he wants to increase his survivability.

So what about those that always complain about lag whenever they die?

People are going to always come up with an excuse, no matter what. It doesn't matter if they were just simply outplayed, outsmarted, etc, it will always be something else other than them that caused their death

**Wyzcrak** · 03-04-2005, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

People are going to always come up with an excuse, no matter what.

This is false.

If I really want to improve my odds of being incorrect when I open my mouth, I'll throw an "always" or a "never" into what I say.

**Wolfie** · 03-04-2005, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by TheFeniX

I will grant that my comment was harsh and it wasn't directed at you, I merely quoted you for the first part, then started ranting. I should have been more explicit in where I directed my comment. I'll apologize for that.

On another note: define "relatively new." Considering I've been here for a year (which is ageless in the area of "Internet Loyalty" and I would have been a member for much longer had I found this place at it's inseption: I'll take your comment as some resentment of my previous remark.

The relatively new comment was in response to your quote, the one I took as being directed at me. As far as I knew, you never played on the TG CS server when it was on the half life 1 engine and I know you haven't been around long enough to know my playing style and what values I support in the TG community.

**Wolfie** · 03-04-2005, 03:54 PM

If I remember correctly (and some of the old veterns can correct me or verify my memory) but we never turned the model consistency on. It was discussed at one point but we never felt that the amount of cheaters out there justified removing this option from the players on the server. Has the amount of cheaters changed since then or is it simply a fear of what may become?

**Wyzcrak** · 03-04-2005, 03:56 PM

Let us not rule out the possibility that the choice was made poorly last time.

**Wolfie** · 03-04-2005, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Wyzcrak

This is false.

If I really want to improve my odds of being incorrect when I open my mouth, I'll throw an "always" or a "never" into what I say.

Prove it

While I may not be able to prove it is factual, I seriously doubt that you can prove it is false.

The people I see online whining about this or that seriously makes me belive that those people will always find something to bitch about to make themselves feel better about their playing skills

**Wolfie** · 03-04-2005, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Wyzcrak

Let us not rule out the possibility that the choice was made poorly last time.

Well, since we didn't have a problem with widespread cheating back then.....

**Wyzcrak** · 03-04-2005, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

Prove it

I died last week and sought no excuse.

Your statement is proven false.

**Tempus** · 03-04-2005, 04:15 PM

First of all, a lot of things have changed in 3 years...including this community and the people who make it up. So, just because 3 years ago people here decided that model consistency was not important does not mean that the people here today feel the same way. Also, back then we were mostly a close-knit community with fewer public players coming in and out. Now, both servers are full day in and day out, with many new faces coming in all the time.

This is not an argument for or against it, but I wanted to point out that this is a new time and a new place. Precedent doesn't have to apply.

><JohnGalt>< · 03-04-2005, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Tempus

First of all, a lot of things have changed in 3 years...including this community and the people who make it up. So, just because 3 years ago people here decided that model consistency was not important does not mean that the people here today feel the same way. Also, back then we were mostly a close-knit community with fewer public players coming in and out. Now, both servers are full day in and day out, with many new faces coming in all the time.

This is not an argument for or against it, but I wanted to point out that this is a new time and a new place. Precedent doesn't have to apply.

When does my face become an old face and when do I become part of the knitting?

A question, if the elders decide to impiment consistancy, does that mean if I use custom skins I have to reinstall CSS or will the server just not load them for me? Not sure if that make sense but I hope you understand the point.

View Poll Results: Should model consistency be enforced on the server?
Yes, I don't want anyone shooting at my glowing head.	44	61.11%
No, I love my models too much.	15	20.83%
What, me worry?	13	18.06%
Voters: 72. You may not vote on this poll

03-03-2005, 08:04 PM	#46 (permalink)
Mike Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Colorado, US Age: 24 Posts: 31	Re: Should model consistency be enforced on the server? Thats quite unfortunate, I thought it was a good idea; o well. Never-the-less if you guys ban custom skins I will support the decision. __________________ "Thus the metric system did not really catch on in the States, unless you count the increasing popularity of the nine-millimeter bullet." ~Dave Barry

03-03-2005, 08:20 PM	#47 (permalink)
9 v Join Date: Dec 2004 Age: 43 Posts: 642	Re: Should model consistency be enforced on the server? If it's all or nothing, i say nothing. Apart from that. Yes.

03-03-2005, 11:47 PM	#49 (permalink)
Mike Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Colorado, US Age: 24 Posts: 31	Re: Should model consistency be enforced on the server? OOOOOO so I don't have to rid my machine of skins, they will be disabled automatically. Well thats not so bad. __________________ "Thus the metric system did not really catch on in the States, unless you count the increasing popularity of the nine-millimeter bullet." ~Dave Barry

03-04-2005, 03:54 PM	#54 (permalink)
Wolfie Join Date: May 2003 Location: Michigan Age: 33 Posts: 1,405	Re: Should model consistency be enforced on the server? If I remember correctly (and some of the old veterns can correct me or verify my memory) but we never turned the model consistency on. It was discussed at one point but we never felt that the amount of cheaters out there justified removing this option from the players on the server. Has the amount of cheaters changed since then or is it simply a fear of what may become?

03-04-2005, 03:56 PM	#55 (permalink)
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03-04-2005, 04:15 PM	#59 (permalink)
Tempus Join Date: May 2003 Location: Miami, FL Age: 38 Posts: 8,234	Re: Should model consistency be enforced on the server? First of all, a lot of things have changed in 3 years...including this community and the people who make it up. So, just because 3 years ago people here decided that model consistency was not important does not mean that the people here today feel the same way. Also, back then we were mostly a close-knit community with fewer public players coming in and out. Now, both servers are full day in and day out, with many new faces coming in all the time. This is not an argument for or against it, but I wanted to point out that this is a new time and a new place. Precedent doesn't have to apply.

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