reserved slots after 4/5 update - Page 2

**Tempus** · 04-06-2005, 04:18 PM

Two things to remember when compaing CSS to NS.

1. There are TWO CSS servers, so shortcutting may not be a good solution, particularly if one wants to switch.

2. NS has a handy little alias to make typing in 'CONNECT' easier... tgns.tacticalgamer.com. We don't have that in CSS.

That said, I do understand Wyz's perspective on allowing people to queue up and wait for the server to open.

**Wyzcrak** · 04-06-2005, 04:35 PM

Valid points. Perhaps we can provide remedies.

1. I would think two shortcuts on one's desktop is virtually identically convenient to one shortcut.

2. I'll have Apophis create DNS machine names for the servers (cs1.tacticalgamer.com & cs2.tacticalgamer.com, maybe). Even if we don't decide them critical to this thread's issues, the NS machine name has just proven too useful for me and others in the past to not do the same for our CS servers. With binds, you can join the other server in less effort than it takes to use the Steam server browser, unused slot or not.

rs_al · 04-06-2005, 04:43 PM

In the meantime, you can make your own dns names! Add your own hostnames to your windows /etc/hosts (which, in microsoft fashion, is stored in C:\windows\system32\drivers\etc\hosts) like:
67.19.132.154 cs1.tacticalgamer.com

ok, ok maybe I'm pushing it

Root · 04-06-2005, 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rs_al

But anyway, here's another good idea:
Right click on your cs, create a desktop short cut. right click on the shortcut, do properties, and add the following to the end of the command:
+connect 67.19.132.154:27015

Bam. Desktop shortcut that starts up CS and connects to TG, all with a quick click. Tell me that isn't _faster_ than opening your favorites.

That's pretty helpful - thanks! Now whats with the cheese?

Root

**Tempus** · 04-06-2005, 05:04 PM

The problems with the shortcuts are that:

A. I may not know which server I want to join yet.
B. What if I want to switch from one server to the other while in the game?

**Dog** · 04-06-2005, 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tempus

The problems with the shortcuts are that:

A. I may not know which server I want to join yet.
B. What if I want to switch from one server to the other while in the game?

ditto...

and

It was just starting to look too complicated for me... I'll try the keybind thing...
I take the path of least resistance with this stuff... I go to favorites... pick a server, if it doesn't let me in, I try another...
lather rinse repeat....

admittedly, I'm a lazy bahstahd

**Wyzcrak** · 04-06-2005, 05:25 PM

Not knowing which server I want to join is not a problem unique to the three options for joining a server (console, shortcuts, or server browser). Either way, I've got to make the decision. Only after I've made that decision does it matter how I join the server.

Again, I can setup binds to use in-game if I want to switch servers.

DON.MAC · 04-06-2005, 05:36 PM

When I connect to the full NS server I use one of the least efficient methods. I start NS, go to my favorites, click server properties, copy the IP, bring up the console, and type connect and paste the IP. Even the way I do it is only a slight inconvenience.

I think the benefits are large for both supporting and non-supporting members. Non-supporting members and random players will no longer make futile attempts to join the 15th slot and they can now ask steam to auto join the server when a free slot appears. Supporting members will no longer have to wait for the 15th slot to empty out because a non-supporting member is currently trying to connect to the full server. Also, more than one supporting member will be able to join the full server at the same time. I have often had to wait for some guy to get kicked out of the 15th slot before being able to join the server. Every time that happened to me I thought to myself "I wish these were setup like the NS server."

It just seems to me that there are substantial benefits for all players in exchange for a very small price for the supporting members to pay. I would gladly pay it.

Thank you for these changes.

nickhastapee · 04-06-2005, 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cookietester

Now whats with the cheese?

Root

CHEESE with his WHINE

That should clear it up a bit

**Wyzcrak** · 04-06-2005, 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DON.MAC

Supporting members will no longer have to wait for the 15th slot to empty out because a non-supporting member is currently trying to connect to the full server. Also, more than one supporting member will be able to join the full server at the same time.

DON makes valid points (well... of course he does.. he's DON.MAC), but I do want to point out that the above is here to stay now regardless of what decision we make in this thread, as sv_visiblemaxplayers, the config variable long-available to HLDS and made available to SRCDS only with this week's Steam update, is what makes such luxuries possible.

**Tempus** · 04-06-2005, 09:05 PM

Have we verified that the slot thing is working correctly?

In the brief time I was on, I only saw 7 vs 6, and a few people started joining but never completed their journey.

**Tempus** · 04-06-2005, 09:19 PM

Nevermind.. Just played 7 on 7.

**Tempus** · 04-06-2005, 09:23 PM

Hmm... Actually, I think it will let 15 players stay on if the 15th joiner is a Supporting Member, but other players can't join the server when there's already 14 on (13 players + HLTV).

**Wyzcrak** · 04-06-2005, 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tempus

Hmm... Actually, I think it will let 15 players stay on if the 15th joiner is a Supporting Member, but other players can't join the server when there's already 14 on (13 players + HLTV).

Exactly right. My mistake, as I had an 18 slot server with 4 reserved slots. We now have three reserved slots with 18 total. It will fix itself at map change.

Addict · 04-07-2005, 12:18 AM

You know, I had forgotten about and have almost never used the "Join when slot becomes available" in the server browser. Why havn't I used it? Because everyone left slots open for reserved people to get in. As Wyz has pointed out, with the proposed solution I could browse while waiting to join, and it would auto join when it opens up. That is pretty nice actually.

04-06-2005, 04:18 PM	#16 (permalink)
Tempus Join Date: May 2003 Location: Miami, FL Age: 38 Posts: 8,170	Re: reserved slots after 4/5 update Two things to remember when compaing CSS to NS. 1. There are TWO CSS servers, so shortcutting may not be a good solution, particularly if one wants to switch. 2. NS has a handy little alias to make typing in 'CONNECT' easier... tgns.tacticalgamer.com. We don't have that in CSS. That said, I do understand Wyz's perspective on allowing people to queue up and wait for the server to open.

04-06-2005, 04:35 PM	#17 (permalink)
Wyzcrak Join Date: May 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 14,139	Re: reserved slots after 4/5 update Valid points. Perhaps we can provide remedies. 1. I would think two shortcuts on one's desktop is virtually identically convenient to one shortcut. 2. I'll have Apophis create DNS machine names for the servers (cs1.tacticalgamer.com & cs2.tacticalgamer.com, maybe). Even if we don't decide them critical to this thread's issues, the NS machine name has just proven too useful for me and others in the past to not do the same for our CS servers. With binds, you can join the other server in less effort than it takes to use the Steam server browser, unused slot or not. __________________ Steam Community? Add me. \| Join #tacticalgamer \| Search Results Legend \| New Posts Forum Filter \| Postbox Toggle \| Live Thread Review \| One Line Results \| Free Remote, Encrypted Backup Darkilla: In short, NS is pretty much really fast chess. With guns. Apophis: I haven't seen anyone say that SM's are better than non-SMs. Nordbomber: This is THE first server I've seen where either side can comeback from out of seemingly nowhere with the right teamwork. en4rcment: I have NEVER experienced the type of gameplay that I have found here. Nightly I am amazed at the personalities and gaming talent. Root: Welcome to TG. Feel free to punctuate your sentences correctly. Monkerz: Its gonna take all my skills to beat those boys off in the future.

04-06-2005, 04:43 PM	#18 (permalink)
rs_al Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 499	Re: reserved slots after 4/5 update In the meantime, you can make your own dns names! Add your own hostnames to your windows /etc/hosts (which, in microsoft fashion, is stored in C:\windows\system32\drivers\etc\hosts) like: 67.19.132.154 cs1.tacticalgamer.com ok, ok maybe I'm pushing it

04-06-2005, 05:04 PM	#20 (permalink)
Tempus Join Date: May 2003 Location: Miami, FL Age: 38 Posts: 8,170	Re: reserved slots after 4/5 update The problems with the shortcuts are that: A. I may not know which server I want to join yet. B. What if I want to switch from one server to the other while in the game?

04-06-2005, 05:25 PM	#22 (permalink)
Wyzcrak Join Date: May 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 14,139	Re: reserved slots after 4/5 update Not knowing which server I want to join is not a problem unique to the three options for joining a server (console, shortcuts, or server browser). Either way, I've got to make the decision. Only after I've made that decision does it matter how I join the server. Again, I can setup binds to use in-game if I want to switch servers. __________________ Steam Community? Add me. \| Join #tacticalgamer \| Search Results Legend \| New Posts Forum Filter \| Postbox Toggle \| Live Thread Review \| One Line Results \| Free Remote, Encrypted Backup Darkilla: In short, NS is pretty much really fast chess. With guns. Apophis: I haven't seen anyone say that SM's are better than non-SMs. Nordbomber: This is THE first server I've seen where either side can comeback from out of seemingly nowhere with the right teamwork. en4rcment: I have NEVER experienced the type of gameplay that I have found here. Nightly I am amazed at the personalities and gaming talent. Root: Welcome to TG. Feel free to punctuate your sentences correctly. Monkerz: Its gonna take all my skills to beat those boys off in the future.

04-06-2005, 05:36 PM	#23 (permalink)
DON.MAC Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 162	Re: reserved slots after 4/5 update When I connect to the full NS server I use one of the least efficient methods. I start NS, go to my favorites, click server properties, copy the IP, bring up the console, and type connect and paste the IP. Even the way I do it is only a slight inconvenience. I think the benefits are large for both supporting and non-supporting members. Non-supporting members and random players will no longer make futile attempts to join the 15th slot and they can now ask steam to auto join the server when a free slot appears. Supporting members will no longer have to wait for the 15th slot to empty out because a non-supporting member is currently trying to connect to the full server. Also, more than one supporting member will be able to join the full server at the same time. I have often had to wait for some guy to get kicked out of the 15th slot before being able to join the server. Every time that happened to me I thought to myself "I wish these were setup like the NS server." It just seems to me that there are substantial benefits for all players in exchange for a very small price for the supporting members to pay. I would gladly pay it. Thank you for these changes.

04-06-2005, 09:05 PM	#26 (permalink)
Tempus Join Date: May 2003 Location: Miami, FL Age: 38 Posts: 8,170	Re: reserved slots after 4/5 update Have we verified that the slot thing is working correctly? In the brief time I was on, I only saw 7 vs 6, and a few people started joining but never completed their journey.

04-06-2005, 09:19 PM	#27 (permalink)
Tempus Join Date: May 2003 Location: Miami, FL Age: 38 Posts: 8,170	Re: reserved slots after 4/5 update Nevermind.. Just played 7 on 7.

04-06-2005, 09:23 PM	#28 (permalink)
Tempus Join Date: May 2003 Location: Miami, FL Age: 38 Posts: 8,170	Re: reserved slots after 4/5 update Hmm... Actually, I think it will let 15 players stay on if the 15th joiner is a Supporting Member, but other players can't join the server when there's already 14 on (13 players + HLTV).

04-07-2005, 12:18 AM	#30 (permalink)
Addict Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 410	Re: reserved slots after 4/5 update You know, I had forgotten about and have almost never used the "Join when slot becomes available" in the server browser. Why havn't I used it? Because everyone left slots open for reserved people to get in. As Wyz has pointed out, with the proposed solution I could browse while waiting to join, and it would auto join when it opens up. That is pretty nice actually.

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